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Our architect pointed out that there could be a considerable cost-saving potential if we choose wooden windows instead of the originally planned wood-aluminum windows. Of course, this also depends on the number and size of the windows. It’s obviously a luxury problem. The clear advantage of wood-aluminum windows is the weather protection on the outside.
However, we could also be very comfortable with full wooden windows, but somehow there are still concerns about what might happen without the external weather protection. On the other hand, my parents have had wooden windows for more than 30 years that haven’t even been treated and have been working perfectly without any issues.
Who has experience in this area?
Our architect pointed out that there could be a considerable cost-saving potential if we choose wooden windows instead of the originally planned wood-aluminum windows. Of course, this also depends on the number and size of the windows. It’s obviously a luxury problem. The clear advantage of wood-aluminum windows is the weather protection on the outside.
However, we could also be very comfortable with full wooden windows, but somehow there are still concerns about what might happen without the external weather protection. On the other hand, my parents have had wooden windows for more than 30 years that haven’t even been treated and have been working perfectly without any issues.
Who has experience in this area?
DASI90 schrieb:
Who has experience in this field?You know that—and probably also how to find my related posts here.DASI90 schrieb:
Our architect pointed out that there might be a considerable saving if we choose wooden windows instead of the wood-aluminum ones we originally wanted.Oh yes, huge. Good wood-aluminum windows cost even more than pure aluminum ones. Unfortunately, you can also find wood-aluminum windows offered that, without the aluminum cladding, would have weather resistance beyond belief—but those are priced around PVC levels or slightly higher, so cheaper than pure aluminum.DASI90 schrieb:
On the other hand, my parents have had wooden windows for more than 30 years that have never even been treated and have worked perfectly without any issues.Those were tropical hardwood qualities, which you wouldn’t choose today for ecological reasons. What is important to you about having wood on the interior?https://www.instagram.com/11antgmxde/
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You know that already — and probably also how to find my relevant posts here.
Oh yes, enormous. Good wood-aluminum windows cost even more than aluminum alone. However, unfortunately, there are also wood-aluminum windows offered that, without the aluminum cladding, would have weather resistance beyond good and bad (but then would be priced at PVC level or just above — so cheaper than pure aluminum).
Those were tropical hardwood qualities that today would no longer be chosen for ecological reasons.
What is important to you about having wood on the inside? Yes, I am now aware that you know a lot about windows. I have also read several threads on the topic. However, in my opinion, this discussion was specifically about wood-aluminum windows, not a direct comparison of wood to wood-aluminum. My question was more specifically whether it is wrong to favor wood windows.
Our preference for wood on the inside is really a matter of personal taste and material preference. For the exterior, we have no objection to something more weather-resistant. However, I also get a little uneasy when I hear about possible additional costs. And it doesn’t seem to be entirely unreasonable to have pure wood windows, does it?
P.S. We are currently talking about close to 61 square meters (656 square feet) of windows.
DASI90 schrieb:
In my opinion, this discussion was mainly about timber-aluminum windows, not a direct comparison between timber and timber-aluminum. Yes, but you had already mentioned the aspect of the additional cost that you would like to keep under control. It was almost unavoidable to point out that high-quality timber-aluminum windows are even more expensive than pure aluminum. On the price index scale compared to PVC (list prices), aluminum is around 120, timber-aluminum about 135. You can get PVC at discount stores for roughly a price index of 80 (lower price due to bulk purchasing); pure aluminum is not available at discount; and timber-aluminum can be found cheaper as well (around 105) – but unfortunately not due to quantity discounts, rather due to lower quality. In other words, timber-aluminum does not really benefit you when it is offered only slightly above PVC (list price).
DASI90 schrieb:
My specific question was rather whether it is wrong to put one’s bets on timber windows. I believe I already answered that: Timber is basically a good window material, but only in durable, high-quality types. These wear tools faster during manufacturing and therefore unfortunately cost more; tropical hardwoods are also well suited, although today’s ecological considerations about them have changed compared to forty years ago.
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Our preference for wood on the inside is really based on personal taste and favoring the material. I meant to ask whether it is about the “you know, the luxury feel” or more about the appearance. In the latter case, it is good news for you price-wise that modern foil manufacturers create very convincing wood-look surfaces. I had to deal with this myself since aluminum cannot be veneered, unfortunately.
My somewhat mischievous suggestion could be, for example, to use wood-look foil on the interior and combine this structurally with standard elements in PVC (with aluminum cladding if using anthracite or similar colors, otherwise also foil-wrapped) and larger or heavily used elements (especially front doors and lift-and-slide doors, possibly additional elements on the south-facing side) in aluminum. Warning: many dealers do not offer all materials and tend to speak negatively about the others!
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Okay. I think it’s clear now. Wood-aluminum windows are very good, provided you choose the right manufacturer and quality—which is expensive.
Currently, we have an estimate of 500 €/m² (ft²) of window area excluding window sills. In your opinion, what can I get for this price at the moment?
Currently, we have an estimate of 500 €/m² (ft²) of window area excluding window sills. In your opinion, what can I get for this price at the moment?
DASI90 schrieb:
Okay. I think it’s clear now. Wood-aluminum is very good, provided you have the right manufacturer and quality—which is expensive. There are generally two types of providers, especially for mostly high-quality materials: those who try to benefit from the good reputation of the material while targeting customers who consider quality prices to be excessive. They look for ways to offer attractive prices—unfortunately at the expense of quality (but as invisibly as possible). Then there are those who produce quality without compromise. This applied to us (as a manufacturer of aluminum) and, of course, should have applied to windows made from other profile materials that we included in our sales program. For wood-aluminum, only Pax AG was good enough for us—at reasonable prices, so not bargain basement level there either.
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We currently have an estimate of 500 €/m² window area excluding windowsills. What do you think I can realistically get for that now? It’s hard to say abstractly or in general terms. But I’m happy to take a closer, non-binding look—after all, you have enough posts to send me a private message.
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