ᐅ Planned New Single-Family House Construction – Floor Plan Available
Created on: 23 Mar 2020 20:06
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tfb0307
Hello everyone,
we are planning to build a single-family house in Lower Saxony and have requested a quote based on the floor plan (see below).
We initially aimed for about 150 to a maximum of 160 square meters (1615 to 1722 square feet), since it’s just the two of us. We have now ended up at around 170 square meters (1830 square feet). I would have been fine with an office of 10 square meters (108 square feet). The hallway, however, is quite large at 21 square meters (226 square feet). The other room sizes feel comfortable and reasonable. We don’t really see where we could reduce size without making the house look unbalanced. (Opinions on this are welcome.)
About us:
- Both employed (permanent contracts)
- Net household income 5,000
- Equity 45,000
- No children
(All costs currently considered without additional running costs)
- Land cost: 71,000 for about 1,300 square meters (0.32 acres)
Offer for the single-family house in timber frame construction as an Efficiency House 40+ as follows:
Turnkey: approx. 448,000
Closed shell: 260,000
Shell including:
- Building permit application, drawings
- Earthworks
- Concrete works
- Walls
- Lower facade with clinker bricks (mandatory according to development plan/planning permission)
- Upper facade with wood
- Roof structure
- Flat roof
- Green roof on ground floor and upper floor (mandatory according to development plan/planning permission)
- Windows, white PVC, triple glazed
- Staircase
I find the difference of roughly 200,000 euros (approx. $216,000) very large – maybe I’m just thinking too much like a layperson. (Opinions here are welcome.)
Therefore, we are currently getting quotes for the following trades:
- Heating, sanitation, ventilation installation
- Tiling
- Painting
- Joinery for floors and doors – possibly doing the flooring ourselves
- Screed laying
- Electrical work
Decisions already made for us:
- Heating: air-to-water heat pump
- Photovoltaic system
- Flooring: 1. Tiles in the guest bathroom downstairs, bathroom upstairs, kitchen, and utility room – for bathroom fixtures and tiles, we plan to go with “standard,” nothing extravagant.
2. Vinyl flooring in the rest of the house
Possibly laminate flooring in “Children’s rooms 1 and 2” – currently no children, planned earliest in 5 years
Undecided:
- Efficiency House 40+ or 55
Looking forward to your opinions.
Best regards,
tfb0307
Floor plan as follows:
we are planning to build a single-family house in Lower Saxony and have requested a quote based on the floor plan (see below).
We initially aimed for about 150 to a maximum of 160 square meters (1615 to 1722 square feet), since it’s just the two of us. We have now ended up at around 170 square meters (1830 square feet). I would have been fine with an office of 10 square meters (108 square feet). The hallway, however, is quite large at 21 square meters (226 square feet). The other room sizes feel comfortable and reasonable. We don’t really see where we could reduce size without making the house look unbalanced. (Opinions on this are welcome.)
About us:
- Both employed (permanent contracts)
- Net household income 5,000
- Equity 45,000
- No children
(All costs currently considered without additional running costs)
- Land cost: 71,000 for about 1,300 square meters (0.32 acres)
Offer for the single-family house in timber frame construction as an Efficiency House 40+ as follows:
Turnkey: approx. 448,000
Closed shell: 260,000
Shell including:
- Building permit application, drawings
- Earthworks
- Concrete works
- Walls
- Lower facade with clinker bricks (mandatory according to development plan/planning permission)
- Upper facade with wood
- Roof structure
- Flat roof
- Green roof on ground floor and upper floor (mandatory according to development plan/planning permission)
- Windows, white PVC, triple glazed
- Staircase
I find the difference of roughly 200,000 euros (approx. $216,000) very large – maybe I’m just thinking too much like a layperson. (Opinions here are welcome.)
Therefore, we are currently getting quotes for the following trades:
- Heating, sanitation, ventilation installation
- Tiling
- Painting
- Joinery for floors and doors – possibly doing the flooring ourselves
- Screed laying
- Electrical work
Decisions already made for us:
- Heating: air-to-water heat pump
- Photovoltaic system
- Flooring: 1. Tiles in the guest bathroom downstairs, bathroom upstairs, kitchen, and utility room – for bathroom fixtures and tiles, we plan to go with “standard,” nothing extravagant.
2. Vinyl flooring in the rest of the house
Possibly laminate flooring in “Children’s rooms 1 and 2” – currently no children, planned earliest in 5 years
Undecided:
- Efficiency House 40+ or 55
Looking forward to your opinions.
Best regards,
tfb0307
Floor plan as follows:
ypg schrieb:
You should reconsider comparing everything to your childhood. Back then was back then, and today is today. This is already the second time and should be viewed very differently.
Besides, I don’t think your parents had a €450,000 (about $485,000) house with a parent wing that is quieter than the children’s area. and here we are again on the topic of "what if no children come"
tfb0307 schrieb:
and here we are again with the topic "what if no children come" Then there are two extra rooms downstairs, but upstairs they can only be reached via the barrier stairway.
tfb0307 schrieb:
Did I, or more precisely the builder, misunderstand the topic of flat roofs — in other words, is it not even allowed?tfb0307 schrieb:
Roof shape:
For the main roof surfaces, gable and hip gable roofs are permitted — garages, auxiliary buildings, and green roofs are exempt from this rule.It clearly states that the house’s roof must be either a gable or a hip gable roof; if you want to have a flat roof for the garage, carport, or the adjacent spaces for trash bins and lawn mowers, that flat roof must be greened. Apparently, as a non-expert (but why would the builder also?) you misunderstood this to mean that the main roof could be flat if it is greened — but that won’t be accepted. So you have to completely redesign — which is actually good, because “laughed at, dismissed, and archived” is the best outcome for this awkward design. Especially since, as mentioned, in terms of volume it would be an inefficient house.tfb0307 schrieb:
I don’t quite understand the part about dropping the angled parts.Unlike you, Haydee immediately noticed that the house basically consists only of corners. You could call it “solid corner” design.https://www.instagram.com/11antgmxde/
https://www.linkedin.com/company/bauen-jetzt/
The house has so many corners, angles, and offsets that it is both ecologically and economically inefficient.
The design reminded me of a shipping container.
The structural engineer will increase the overall cost further.
The hallway is huge—larger than the two very small children's bedrooms. The parents' room also feels like a much too small city apartment. When bedrooms for parents and children are on different levels, plan some space for a crib upstairs.
Read the development plan (building permit / planning permission) again. As 11ant pointed out, either your information or the design does not match.
The design reminded me of a shipping container.
The structural engineer will increase the overall cost further.
The hallway is huge—larger than the two very small children's bedrooms. The parents' room also feels like a much too small city apartment. When bedrooms for parents and children are on different levels, plan some space for a crib upstairs.
Read the development plan (building permit / planning permission) again. As 11ant pointed out, either your information or the design does not match.
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Alessandro24 Mar 2020 08:40Swap the utility room with the office and turn the pantry into the utility room, making it accessible from both the kitchen and the hallway. You can reduce the size of the utility room to allow for a proper wardrobe area. The route from the living room to the bathroom is very long!
Hello everyone,
First of all, I would like to thank you all for your feedback.
Before we continue considering a sensible room layout and/or size, I contacted the city again by email regarding the topic of a flat roof. In this email, I specifically asked whether implementing a flat roof is possible.
I had already contacted the city by phone on this topic last year and received the following written response:
"...whether you choose intensive green roofing or extensive green roofing is up to you.
However, I would like to point out that intensive green roofing is not permitted to be used as a residential garden within the 3 m (10 feet) setback area.
There are no further requirements arising from the regulations."
It is unclear which roof this refers to.
It is possible that I did not clearly explain my inquiry at that time over the phone—specifically the implementation of a flat roof (main roof surface)—or that it was misunderstood or not understood at all by the city. Since the question was asked by phone, no written proof of my inquiry exists.
However, I do not want to place blame on anyone for this and will await the city’s concrete response.
First of all, I would like to thank you all for your feedback.
Before we continue considering a sensible room layout and/or size, I contacted the city again by email regarding the topic of a flat roof. In this email, I specifically asked whether implementing a flat roof is possible.
I had already contacted the city by phone on this topic last year and received the following written response:
"...whether you choose intensive green roofing or extensive green roofing is up to you.
However, I would like to point out that intensive green roofing is not permitted to be used as a residential garden within the 3 m (10 feet) setback area.
There are no further requirements arising from the regulations."
It is unclear which roof this refers to.
It is possible that I did not clearly explain my inquiry at that time over the phone—specifically the implementation of a flat roof (main roof surface)—or that it was misunderstood or not understood at all by the city. Since the question was asked by phone, no written proof of my inquiry exists.
However, I do not want to place blame on anyone for this and will await the city’s concrete response.
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