ᐅ What type of burglary protection do you have? And what is the estimated cost?
Created on: 30 Oct 2016 13:14
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This topic might not be exactly right here since we are not building new but buying, but it also relates to planning and idea development.
We are buying a house from 1995. The front door has a multi-point lock, and the basement has a fireproof security door, which probably can’t be opened quickly when locked. That’s all.
Due to a personal incident related to burglary, I am currently somewhat more sensitive to this issue. I am often alone with the children, and the house is in a remote location, with open fields behind us. Although the area is mostly rural and, according to the owner, there have been no incidents in the village so far, I don’t want to rely on that. In short: we want to allocate part of our budget to security investments.
We will schedule an appointment with the local police to get advice.
Regarding the front door: a multi-point lock sounds good – is that enough initially?
Next to the front door there is a glass panel, double-glazed, without a window handle. This could probably be broken quickly, but because of the muntins, it is probably not possible to enter the house quickly this way. We are considering installing a glass break film on the inside. Possibly combined with an acoustic alarm if someone tries to strike the glass?
The main issue is definitely the numerous windows, especially at the back of the house. None of these are visible from the street. As mentioned, the windows are double-glazed from 1995. There are no mushroom head locks installed. We couldn’t find a clear cost estimate for retrofitting such mushroom head locks. Can you share any insights? Possibly that alone would be so expensive that it might be more worthwhile to replace the windows? However, I think that would likely exceed our budget given the number of windows…
While researching mushroom locks, we came across these EM3 locks, which cost about 60 euros each. Do you have any experience with these, and can they be a practical alternative to mushroom head locks?
Regarding alarm systems, there are all kinds available. Mechanical security should probably take priority over acoustic alarms, right? Personally, although my husband sees it differently, I don’t really believe these alarm systems are that effective. Anyone planning a professional break-in, possibly after some reconnaissance, will know in such a rural location that the police won’t arrive in two minutes and neighbors probably won’t be outside immediately either. And what good would it do us if the alarm goes off while we’re sleeping? Acoustic alarms certainly aren’t bad, but depending on the price, I question whether the cost-benefit ratio is reasonable. Probably it would need to be that various alarms are also visible in a way that hopefully has a deterrent effect? Motion detectors, cameras, or even a connection to a security service?
How have you approached this topic?
We are buying a house from 1995. The front door has a multi-point lock, and the basement has a fireproof security door, which probably can’t be opened quickly when locked. That’s all.
Due to a personal incident related to burglary, I am currently somewhat more sensitive to this issue. I am often alone with the children, and the house is in a remote location, with open fields behind us. Although the area is mostly rural and, according to the owner, there have been no incidents in the village so far, I don’t want to rely on that. In short: we want to allocate part of our budget to security investments.
We will schedule an appointment with the local police to get advice.
Regarding the front door: a multi-point lock sounds good – is that enough initially?
Next to the front door there is a glass panel, double-glazed, without a window handle. This could probably be broken quickly, but because of the muntins, it is probably not possible to enter the house quickly this way. We are considering installing a glass break film on the inside. Possibly combined with an acoustic alarm if someone tries to strike the glass?
The main issue is definitely the numerous windows, especially at the back of the house. None of these are visible from the street. As mentioned, the windows are double-glazed from 1995. There are no mushroom head locks installed. We couldn’t find a clear cost estimate for retrofitting such mushroom head locks. Can you share any insights? Possibly that alone would be so expensive that it might be more worthwhile to replace the windows? However, I think that would likely exceed our budget given the number of windows…
While researching mushroom locks, we came across these EM3 locks, which cost about 60 euros each. Do you have any experience with these, and can they be a practical alternative to mushroom head locks?
Regarding alarm systems, there are all kinds available. Mechanical security should probably take priority over acoustic alarms, right? Personally, although my husband sees it differently, I don’t really believe these alarm systems are that effective. Anyone planning a professional break-in, possibly after some reconnaissance, will know in such a rural location that the police won’t arrive in two minutes and neighbors probably won’t be outside immediately either. And what good would it do us if the alarm goes off while we’re sleeping? Acoustic alarms certainly aren’t bad, but depending on the price, I question whether the cost-benefit ratio is reasonable. Probably it would need to be that various alarms are also visible in a way that hopefully has a deterrent effect? Motion detectors, cameras, or even a connection to a security service?
How have you approached this topic?
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Traumfaenger30 Oct 2016 21:40Kaspatoo schrieb:
how long an experienced professional needs to open these, I have something like 3 minutes in mind for RC2N According to Wiki, it is "the opportunistic offender," and statistics show that most burglaries occur during the day, with a significant portion carried out by professionals associated with organized crime. Whether the 3 minutes is still representative in that case would need to be confirmed by an expert.
We have triple glazing with secure locking, and the front door locks on all four sides with bolts. Additionally, we have two dogs that immediately alert us at any unusual noise and surround visitors. The grates over the basement window wells are secured from the inside, and all ventilation windows are fitted with grilles.
We don’t have a dog and don’t plan to get one either. Placing a dog bowl somewhere is certainly a good idea. However, I believe that most burglars wouldn’t try to break in without first having done some reconnaissance. And then it becomes obvious quickly—both by sight and sound—that there is no dog.
Of course, we can’t afford a highly professional system with security guards patrolling.
The main focus will probably be on properly securing the windows first—as mentioned, they have double glazing from 1995. We will look into these Rc2n security fittings further.
Does anyone have an idea how much retrofitting mushroom head locks like these would roughly cost?
My parents now have grilles on all windows that would otherwise be accessible for climbing in. Visually, it’s quite an adjustment.
Of course, we can’t afford a highly professional system with security guards patrolling.
The main focus will probably be on properly securing the windows first—as mentioned, they have double glazing from 1995. We will look into these Rc2n security fittings further.
Does anyone have an idea how much retrofitting mushroom head locks like these would roughly cost?
My parents now have grilles on all windows that would otherwise be accessible for climbing in. Visually, it’s quite an adjustment.
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Painkiller31 Oct 2016 10:11We recently attended a presentation by the criminal investigation department, but due to staff shortages, it was not held by an officer but by an employee from a security technology association. As a result, some statements from the criminal investigation department were put into perspective, as they had been somewhat exaggerated.
- Front door: only about 2% of all burglaries occur through the front door; most happen through windows, with balcony doors being the preferred entry point.
- The burglar’s standard tool is still an ordinary screwdriver used for prying.
- Most break-ins happen during twilight in the autumn and winter months.
- An alarm system helps very little because it basically only alerts you that someone is inside your home. By the time you get help or it arrives, the intruder is usually already gone. Neighbors often ignore alarms because they assume they are likely false alarms.
- Motion sensor lights are helpful since burglars tend to avoid staying in bright spotlight.
- Roller shutters provide burglary protection only if they are fully closed down to the stop, so they cannot be pushed up even by 1cm (0.4 inches).
In the end, it turned out that current standard security measures are not bad, but it is still the residents who give burglars opportunities through tilted windows and access to less protected windows.
- Front door: only about 2% of all burglaries occur through the front door; most happen through windows, with balcony doors being the preferred entry point.
- The burglar’s standard tool is still an ordinary screwdriver used for prying.
- Most break-ins happen during twilight in the autumn and winter months.
- An alarm system helps very little because it basically only alerts you that someone is inside your home. By the time you get help or it arrives, the intruder is usually already gone. Neighbors often ignore alarms because they assume they are likely false alarms.
- Motion sensor lights are helpful since burglars tend to avoid staying in bright spotlight.
- Roller shutters provide burglary protection only if they are fully closed down to the stop, so they cannot be pushed up even by 1cm (0.4 inches).
In the end, it turned out that current standard security measures are not bad, but it is still the residents who give burglars opportunities through tilted windows and access to less protected windows.
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Painkiller31 Oct 2016 11:28Rather no, not every burglar will go through the trouble of drilling a hole at the height of the handle with a drill and drill machine to operate the lever. But that would be the next easy option. This is where the lockable window handle and drill-resistant protection help...
By the way, I need to correct myself: it's actually almost 10% who break in through the front door. I had that wrong in my mind...
By the way, I need to correct myself: it's actually almost 10% who break in through the front door. I had that wrong in my mind...
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