Hello everyone,
I’m interested in a terraced house from 1962 with about 110m² (1,184 sq ft) of living space and am seriously considering starting negotiations with the seller. Before that, I would like to roughly estimate the renovation costs.
The roof is finished and watertight. The basement is completely dry. The seller provided me with information about when the roof, water pipes, heating system (gas boiler), etc., were renewed (unfortunately, I don’t have my notes with me right now). However, I cannot estimate when the gas boiler will need to be replaced or when the roof will require refurbishment again. Is there a general guideline or approximate schedule for estimating this?
Additionally, the interior of the house is from the 1960s…
Accordingly, we want to completely renovate the interior:
How can I create a cost estimate for this? Are there any reference prices available? I don’t want to call around to various companies right now, as the usual response is “we need to have a look first.”
I’m interested in a terraced house from 1962 with about 110m² (1,184 sq ft) of living space and am seriously considering starting negotiations with the seller. Before that, I would like to roughly estimate the renovation costs.
The roof is finished and watertight. The basement is completely dry. The seller provided me with information about when the roof, water pipes, heating system (gas boiler), etc., were renewed (unfortunately, I don’t have my notes with me right now). However, I cannot estimate when the gas boiler will need to be replaced or when the roof will require refurbishment again. Is there a general guideline or approximate schedule for estimating this?
Additionally, the interior of the house is from the 1960s…
- Wood panels on the ceilings
- Fully tiled floors
- Brown doors
- Guest toilet tiled in green
- And the electrical wiring from 1964...
Accordingly, we want to completely renovate the interior:
- Rewiring the electrical system (I will probably do the wiring myself, so only material costs apply)
- The water pipe to the kitchen (ground floor) is still made of lead (all others are plastic)
- Replacing door leaves and frames
- Completely renovating the guest toilet (approx. 5m² (54 sq ft))
- Removing the floor tiles and replacing them with parquet flooring
- Removing the wood panels from the ceilings and smoothing the plaster
How can I create a cost estimate for this? Are there any reference prices available? I don’t want to call around to various companies right now, as the usual response is “we need to have a look first.”
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nordanney30 Jun 2016 14:26Since you are only doing cosmetic renovations (except for the electrical work), your cost estimate should be feasible, possibly even lower if you can or want to install the hardwood flooring and tiles yourself.
For comparison: Renovation of a condominium with 70 square meters (750 square feet) of living space (complete new electrical system with a new panel, approximately 70 outlets, multiple satellite connections, LAN in every room, Gira Event system + new triple-glazed windows/balcony door + new interior doors painted white with a magnetic latch lock + 64 square meters (690 square feet) of oak plank flooring + the rest tiled + fully renovated bathroom with high-quality tiles, sanitary fixtures, and shower + walls leveled, covered with painter’s fleece, and painted + suspended ceiling in the hallway with recessed spotlights) costs about 13,000 euros. Only the electrical work is done by a professional; the rest is self-performed.
For comparison: Renovation of a condominium with 70 square meters (750 square feet) of living space (complete new electrical system with a new panel, approximately 70 outlets, multiple satellite connections, LAN in every room, Gira Event system + new triple-glazed windows/balcony door + new interior doors painted white with a magnetic latch lock + 64 square meters (690 square feet) of oak plank flooring + the rest tiled + fully renovated bathroom with high-quality tiles, sanitary fixtures, and shower + walls leveled, covered with painter’s fleece, and painted + suspended ceiling in the hallway with recessed spotlights) costs about 13,000 euros. Only the electrical work is done by a professional; the rest is self-performed.
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Bauexperte30 Jun 2016 14:28nordanney schrieb:
Since you are “only” renovating the appearance (excluding electrical work), your cost estimate should be feasible, possibly even lower if you can or want to install the hardwood flooring/tiles yourself. An older building is unpredictable! The worst-case scenario must also be taken into account!
Best regards, Bauexperte
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Bauexperte30 Jun 2016 14:42veilside schrieb:
and do you account for the worst case by simply doubling the estimate? I deliberately mentioned EUR 80,000 and included a buffer of EUR 20,000 for unforeseen costs. Basically, I agree with Will and his figures ... if your description of the current situation is accurate and the services are contracted accordingly. By the way, you should check with your utility provider whether you are even allowed to do the electrical work yourself. Not every provider allows this kind of self-performed work unless, of course, you are registered.
You have no idea what might actually come up and expect us—who know the described house "only" from your words—to give you a price estimate. What exactly do you expect? That I say, for example, "dear TE, all of this is nonsense, it will only cost you EUR 10,000"? Or "dear TE, of course you are right and it will *only* cost EUR 40,000"?
Find an expert or architect specializing in existing properties; then you will get accurate figures for the renovation. For now, I’ll stick to my number—we currently live in an old building and are renovating two houses, so I know very well what renovators financially have to prepare for ... and what surprises might be around the corner.
Regards, Bauexperte
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garfunkel30 Jun 2016 15:58I would agree with Bauexperte and wpic. This estimate is roughly accurate without any surprises!
I also recommend carefully considering whether you might want to remove a wall, add a window here or there, or make similar changes. This usually costs "just" a bit more but can make an older building much more welcoming.
I assume that simply rewiring, some plastering, and painting won’t be enough. For a renovation, I would also include the kitchen as a cost factor.
You probably need to renovate the bathroom as well, right? It’s easy to spend €10,000 (approx. $11,000) or more there.
I also recommend carefully considering whether you might want to remove a wall, add a window here or there, or make similar changes. This usually costs "just" a bit more but can make an older building much more welcoming.
I assume that simply rewiring, some plastering, and painting won’t be enough. For a renovation, I would also include the kitchen as a cost factor.
You probably need to renovate the bathroom as well, right? It’s easy to spend €10,000 (approx. $11,000) or more there.
I think we have gone way too deep into the topic. Originally, I just wanted to know if there is a general price guideline for renovating individual items. For example, 1sqm (11 sq ft) of new parquet flooring €50, 1sqm (11 sq ft) plastering plus painting €70, 1 door with frame €300, and so on.
I was not looking for an assessment of what or where hidden defects might still be present in the property.
I was not looking for an assessment of what or where hidden defects might still be present in the property.
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