ᐅ We are looking for a construction company for building a house in Hamburg.
Created on: 18 Jun 2020 15:20
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Hello everyone,
My girlfriend and I are looking for a company to build our house. Let me start with some information about our project.
We will receive a plot of land next year (about 750 m² (8,073 sq ft)) and want either to renovate the existing house on the property (built sometime in the 1950s) or build a new one. Since the house is still occupied, we don’t know if it’s worth investing more money in the current building. That’s why we started gathering information, asking homeowners about their experiences, and so on.
Because we can only have the house assessed next year, we are already trying to find a reliable company so we don’t have to start from scratch if we decide to build new. What we want is a detached house with about 140 m² (1,507 sq ft), preferably with a basement. Yes, I’ve been reading for months that this is often requested but probably not realistic with our budget. Hope dies last...
We don’t have specific preferences regarding the design, meaning whether it’s a pitched roof, modern villa, or something else. What’s important is at least 4 rooms and a minimum energy standard of KfW 55 (preferably 40+). The kitchen should not be too small and, if possible, not open-plan. A sliding door separating it from the dining and living room would be sufficient. A covered terrace would also be nice, and we prefer a solid construction method.
We are budgeting around €25,000 (about $27,000) for demolishing the old house and about €60,000 (around $65,000) for additional costs. By additional costs, we mean not kitchen, garage, garden work, or similar things, but rather notary fees, probably necessary (new) property connections or replacing pipes, site costs, etc. For the house alone, we want to spend around €300,000 (about $325,000). It could be €10,000 to €20,000 (roughly $11,000 to $22,000) more, but preferably not. An additional €10,000 to €20,000 for upgraded finishes (is that the right term?) is also planned.
Well, all this is still somewhat secondary. Now I’m getting to the point! I am looking for potential candidates who can fulfill our dream. We do not want to do any work ourselves and want to have only one contact person. That means planning the project, having it carried out, paying, and moving in. Yes, I would assemble the furniture and mount the TV on the wall, but nothing related to the building process. I just want it to work and not cause too much stress.
For months, I have been reading online, including a lot in this forum. Whenever someone mentions a company they were satisfied with, I immediately google them. But I almost always end up with negative reviews and blogs, so I’m starting to lose hope and preparing for a lot of stress. From what I understand, everything depends heavily on the subcontractors, construction manager, and many other factors I probably cannot influence much.
I also think that many unhappy customers are more likely to post online than satisfied ones, but aside from one company (at least that’s the feeling), there isn’t a single one I would sign with without hesitation. For that one company, people mostly say it’s more expensive than the others.
I kindly ask you to honestly tell me how the real situation looks. Am I overthinking this? Is the internet simply full of negativity? Can you recommend a company without reservation that meets our requirements, or how should we proceed? Is our budget realistic? Why are there so many negative reports and blogs? Am I too scared? Others have built and live happily in their homes.
Now you might rightly ask why we don’t just choose that one provider. The thing is, I want to compare prices, and my girlfriend insists on having a basement. We had one with the old house, and I’d rather build new. So, maybe a basement is still possible with a more affordable provider. Even a partial basement would be enough. It would basically “only” need to include the utility room and laundry room. My better half doesn’t want to outsource these.
I’m a bit desperate and grateful for any suggestions, ideas, and even criticism. I hope to benefit from your experience, as I don’t know anyone in Hamburg who has built a house in the last 15 years. The last people who got their own home either bought an older house or built with a company that doesn’t build in Hamburg because they are based further away.
My girlfriend and I are looking for a company to build our house. Let me start with some information about our project.
We will receive a plot of land next year (about 750 m² (8,073 sq ft)) and want either to renovate the existing house on the property (built sometime in the 1950s) or build a new one. Since the house is still occupied, we don’t know if it’s worth investing more money in the current building. That’s why we started gathering information, asking homeowners about their experiences, and so on.
Because we can only have the house assessed next year, we are already trying to find a reliable company so we don’t have to start from scratch if we decide to build new. What we want is a detached house with about 140 m² (1,507 sq ft), preferably with a basement. Yes, I’ve been reading for months that this is often requested but probably not realistic with our budget. Hope dies last...
We don’t have specific preferences regarding the design, meaning whether it’s a pitched roof, modern villa, or something else. What’s important is at least 4 rooms and a minimum energy standard of KfW 55 (preferably 40+). The kitchen should not be too small and, if possible, not open-plan. A sliding door separating it from the dining and living room would be sufficient. A covered terrace would also be nice, and we prefer a solid construction method.
We are budgeting around €25,000 (about $27,000) for demolishing the old house and about €60,000 (around $65,000) for additional costs. By additional costs, we mean not kitchen, garage, garden work, or similar things, but rather notary fees, probably necessary (new) property connections or replacing pipes, site costs, etc. For the house alone, we want to spend around €300,000 (about $325,000). It could be €10,000 to €20,000 (roughly $11,000 to $22,000) more, but preferably not. An additional €10,000 to €20,000 for upgraded finishes (is that the right term?) is also planned.
Well, all this is still somewhat secondary. Now I’m getting to the point! I am looking for potential candidates who can fulfill our dream. We do not want to do any work ourselves and want to have only one contact person. That means planning the project, having it carried out, paying, and moving in. Yes, I would assemble the furniture and mount the TV on the wall, but nothing related to the building process. I just want it to work and not cause too much stress.
For months, I have been reading online, including a lot in this forum. Whenever someone mentions a company they were satisfied with, I immediately google them. But I almost always end up with negative reviews and blogs, so I’m starting to lose hope and preparing for a lot of stress. From what I understand, everything depends heavily on the subcontractors, construction manager, and many other factors I probably cannot influence much.
I also think that many unhappy customers are more likely to post online than satisfied ones, but aside from one company (at least that’s the feeling), there isn’t a single one I would sign with without hesitation. For that one company, people mostly say it’s more expensive than the others.
I kindly ask you to honestly tell me how the real situation looks. Am I overthinking this? Is the internet simply full of negativity? Can you recommend a company without reservation that meets our requirements, or how should we proceed? Is our budget realistic? Why are there so many negative reports and blogs? Am I too scared? Others have built and live happily in their homes.
Now you might rightly ask why we don’t just choose that one provider. The thing is, I want to compare prices, and my girlfriend insists on having a basement. We had one with the old house, and I’d rather build new. So, maybe a basement is still possible with a more affordable provider. Even a partial basement would be enough. It would basically “only” need to include the utility room and laundry room. My better half doesn’t want to outsource these.
I’m a bit desperate and grateful for any suggestions, ideas, and even criticism. I hope to benefit from your experience, as I don’t know anyone in Hamburg who has built a house in the last 15 years. The last people who got their own home either bought an older house or built with a company that doesn’t build in Hamburg because they are based further away.
danixf schrieb:
By the way, we built with Kage.Hey @danixf Did the final price match the quote, or were there any unpleasant price surprises from Kage?
PyneBite schrieb:
Hey @danixf
Did you find the price in the quote acceptable, or were there any unpleasant surprises from Kage?If you don’t have an extravagant style, I think it’s reasonable. You should still plan for around 10,000-20,000 EUR (11,000-22,000 USD). It adds up quickly. Large-format tiles laid in a staggered pattern – 500 EUR (550 USD). Different shower fittings – 500 EUR (550 USD). Tiled shower in the guest bathroom – 1,000 EUR (1,100 USD), and so on. If you have specific questions, feel free to send me a private message.danixf schrieb:
If you have specific questions, feel free to send me a private message.Unfortunately, I am not allowed to yet. I would really like to exchange experiences. We have an appointment with Mr. Stabelow (?) on Saturday.
PyneBite schrieb:
Unfortunately, I’m not allowed yet. I would really like to exchange information. We have an appointment with Mr. Stabelow (?) on Saturday.I don’t know him. After signing, you usually have no further contact with the sellers.danixf schrieb:
Nice plot size for sure. For the house, I would have an inspector come if it’s a renovationThat is definitely planned.
danixf schrieb:
Why?We’re a bit eco-friendly and think this will reduce our ecological footprint. It’s more of an emotional reason.
danixf schrieb:
I would have suggested a classic Viebrockhaus here. Their houses are typically 30-40 thousand euros more expensive than competitors. But in most cases, the work is done cleanly and precisely. Disputes are rare because you pay for this upfront.
You wrote it yourself already… Let me guess – Viebrockhaus? Yep
Compared to the house suggested from Kagebau, it’s a bit more expensive, but it would also be KfW 40+ certified. We’ve been looking at the Maxime 300. Do you see any reasons against it from your point of view?
danixf schrieb:
A basement isn’t feasible at that price unless you’re renovating an existing property. A basement is not just a basement. First, the basic shell costs a lot. On top of that, there’s the technical installations, floor build-up, painting, etc.I understand, but just as an idea from someone with little knowledge – could one possibly demolish the old house, leave the hole open, dig a new hole, and fill the material into the other hole? To save some costs maybe. We might be able to stretch the budget a little, but we don’t want to push it to the limit; some financial buffer needs to remain.
danixf schrieb:
Our neighbors fit all their technical equipment in a 4 sqm (43 sq ft) space. Every installer cursed like crazy, but somehow they managed it. You can definitely plan something like that so you don’t see anything. Check out different show home villages and have a look at how they do it. You can also install the technical equipment in the attic if you absolutely don’t want it visible.
By the way, we built with Kage. It was tough towards the end because, in my opinion, communication between the office/site manager/customer was terrible. But basically the guys build good houses. If it were up to me… I’ve only ever lived in an apartment before, so this is a huge upgrade for me, but it’s not my decision. Unfortunately, I only have 49% say in this.
It’s not really the technical room we’re concerned about. Primarily, it’s the laundry room and storage space.
I would have just put the technical equipment in the basement if that were possible.
Thanks so much for your replies already.
Rookie5 schrieb:
We are a bit eco-conscious and think that the ecological footprint will be somewhat smaller. It’s more of an emotional reason.Then you probably shouldn’t build at all and instead stick with renovating the existing building. Whatever impact you leave during construction can’t be compensated by any system afterward... You have to run the numbers. Saying a general premium for 40+ or something similar can be saved is not accurate.Rookie5 schrieb:
Compared to the house suggested by Kagebau, it’s naturally a bit more expensive, but it would also be KFW 40+. We are looking at the Maxime 300. From your point of view, is there anything against it?No, Viebrockhaus is a great team.Rookie5 schrieb:
I understand, but just as an idea from someone inexperienced: Could you maybe demolish the old house, not fill the hole, dig a new hole, and dump the debris into the other hole? Kind of saving some money. We might be able to loosen the budget a bit, but we don’t want to push it; a safety margin should remain.Unfortunately, it’s not that simple. It starts with the fact that the requirements for basement rooms, in my opinion, also have to meet current energy-saving regulation standards. So if you’re building to KFW 40, the basement must be built accordingly as well. If you only plan to use it as utility rooms, I’m not entirely sure. So, you demolish the house and have one hole. Then you want to dig a second hole and dump the construction debris into that hole? The second hole will also produce excavation material that needs to be disposed of somewhere. And it’s not that easy to just get rid of your waste like that.
The cost of excavation is not necessarily the most expensive item. It’s the overall package, which easily reaches six figures with fixtures, painting, flooring, shell construction, and so on.
Rookie5 schrieb:
If it were up to me... I’ve only ever lived in an apartment, so this is a huge upgrade, but it’s not up to me. Unfortunately, I only have 49% say.Then you’ll need to take out a larger loan. With additional costs, you’ll probably be looking at around half a million.Rookie5 schrieb:
But it’s not really about the technical room for you. Primarily, it’s the laundry room and storage.
I would have just moved the technical equipment into the basement if that was possible.Technical equipment in the basement is always good. It doesn’t take up space on the ground floor. A well-planned utility room combined with the kitchen is much better for storage than having to go down to the basement every time. For long-term storage of items you don't need often, an unfinished attic is sufficient... That comes “free” with the house. Plywood for the floor is available at hardware stores, and for about 200–300€ you gain a huge room. The laundry room as well. There are great solutions for utility rooms without needing to invest 100,000€.
Thanks to the current energy standards, basements have become rather unattractive.
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