ᐅ Ventilation in New Construction (Central vs. Decentralized), Noise Disturbance

Created on: 20 Jun 2016 20:41
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Kiri123
Hello everyone,

I am currently considering the ventilation system for our planned new build (details: Kfw 70, 2 full floors + basement + unheated attic, hipped roof, 200m² (2,150 sq ft) living space). We live in a rural area and like to keep the windows open sometimes, so we don’t necessarily have to rely entirely on mechanical ventilation.

I am torn between a central controlled mechanical ventilation system with heat recovery, a central exhaust with decentralized supply air, and decentralized supply/exhaust with heat recovery. My requirements are:
• Ventilation of bathrooms (master bathroom, children’s bathroom without windows, and guest toilet without windows) with demand-controlled ventilation based on usage
• I want to avoid having to open windows every few hours while still maintaining high indoor air quality
• Not too noisy, as I am very sensitive to noise when trying to sleep
• I am also sensitive to dry air; for example, I cannot tolerate air from air conditioning or sports halls very well

Below are the pros and cons of each system as I see them:

Central Controlled Mechanical Ventilation with Heat Recovery
+the most mature system
-expensive (I estimate about 10,000 to 13,000 Euros)
-more complex planning, including suspending and boxing in ducts
-(I heard from a provider of decentralized ventilation systems: as soon as I turn up the ventilation in the living room, more warm air is blown into the bedroom – not desirable)
-the indoor air quality in the prefabricated houses with controlled ventilation that we visited was always poor. That makes me skeptical

Central Exhaust with Decentralized Supply Air
+cheaper (maybe 2,000 to 3,000 Euros?)
+should meet minimum requirements
-energy wasted (or can I reuse the heat energy somehow? I am planning to install an air-water heat pump for heating and hot water production. Maybe the heat can be used here in a useful way). I was advised against a complete exhaust heat pump. Perhaps combined exhaust/fresh air heat pumps exist?
-cold air from decentralized supply? (I have read that with proper planning this is no problem because the supply air mixes “appropriately” with the existing indoor air)
-somewhat contradicts the idea of energy-efficient houses. Still, it’s probably more efficient than constantly having windows tilted open.

Decentralized Ventilation with Heat Recovery
+If I simply install one of these ventilators in the living-dining area, the master bathroom, and the children’s bathroom (+ exhaust in the toilet), the minimum requirements should be met. I estimate about 3,000 Euros (1,000 Euros per unit)
-if I want to cover all other rooms to avoid window ventilation entirely, it gets more expensive (maybe ~8,000 Euros) and:
-I would have many holes in the building envelope
-I hesitate to install these devices in bedrooms or children’s rooms because I think they may be too noisy.

Could you please help me with the decision? Maybe by sharing your experience or confirming or disproving some of my points? I would also like to see different ventilators in practice. Do you have any tips? I heard it might be possible somewhere in Berlin, but I live in the postal code area 5xxxx.

I look forward to your opinions.
Kiri
BastianB29 Jun 2016 08:03
So far, I haven't felt that the mechanical ventilation system significantly changes the temperature in the evening (assuming the air is cooler), even at the highest setting. As Sebastian described, the air exchange rates are probably just too low. Opening windows and creating a cross breeze provides a noticeably faster and more effective result.
Mycraft29 Jun 2016 08:08
Yes, that’s why I wrote that if the system is supposed to cool the house even slightly in summer, then the heat exchanger is completely bypassed and the fresh air only comes through the bypass duct... everything else belongs in the colorful and glossy brochures of the salespeople....
BastianB29 Jun 2016 08:09
My response was more related to Bieber's statement than to yours.
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Saruss
29 Jun 2016 08:51
Of course, there isn’t a significant cooling effect, but if you bring in air that is 8 degrees cooler for 12 hours during the day with Wt, it makes a difference overall compared to when the bypass is open during the day as well.

from on the go
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Legurit
29 Jun 2016 08:58
At night, even with the summer mode set to 23°C (73°F), the temperature drops to 21.5°C (71°F) when it’s cooler outside... however, I have no idea how much of this would happen without the summer mode activated.
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Bieber0815
29 Jun 2016 09:18
We had temperatures outdoors above 30°C (86°F) on Friday and over the weekend, while inside it was about 23/24°C (73/75°F). If I open the window now, I bring in air warmer than 30°C (86°F) into the house. By ventilating through the controlled residential ventilation system with a heat exchanger, the fresh air is cooled down there. This keeps the interior of the house cooler for longer. The bypass only opens when the house becomes too warm and the outside temperature falls below the desired indoor temperature.

See also #35 https://www.hausbau-forum.de/threads/Lüftung-im-Neubau-zentral-vs-dezentral-vs-Abluft.16160/page-4#post-140525

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