ᐅ Removal of the crane from the sidewalk / pavement

Created on: 26 Nov 2023 10:46
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Bayernbors
Hello everyone,

Yesterday, we received a letter from the city hall requesting that we remove the barriers and the crane from the street by November 30, 2023, as our previous permit apparently expired some time ago.

They also mentioned that unfortunately our general planner is unable to comply with all the regulations and orders and does not consider themselves responsible for the traffic-related requirements. For this reason, no new traffic-related permits will be approved for the time being.

Our general planner says that there was only a broken lamp, which was replaced on the same day. Could this really be the reason for this decision?

I will definitely speak with them to try to get more details about what went wrong with the general planner. Do you have any suggestions on how to resolve this conflict? Is there anything I should specifically monitor? Would it make sense for me to visit the construction site and ensure that everything is running smoothly day and night?

Tomorrow, I will also ask the shell builder how long the crane needs to remain on the sidewalk, but I am not sure what can be done if the city hall does not approve another extension.

Thank you very much
Best regards
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Allthewayup
26 Nov 2023 21:23
Bayernbors schrieb:

Maybe I should increase the frequency to twice a week instead of once a week and try to supervise the entire construction site, not just the house.
I’m always amazed…
I visit my construction site (where a house is being built) twice daily, and even more often when several trades are working at the same time. I can’t understand how someone invests a six-figure sum and then effectively leaves the investment to manage itself. Either they are wealthy enough that it doesn’t matter, or they have lost control of their life. Sorry, don’t take it personally, but every day I discover sloppy or unprofessional work that would never have been corrected if I only made occasional brief visits to the site. Simply being present and actively involved in the construction is what ensures quality, nothing else.

Regarding traffic regulation orders: I completed the MVAS certificate during an online course on a Saturday at the company Schaufelmann and then submitted all applications for special use of public areas (including traffic sign plans) myself. In return, the general contractor provided the signage and so on. The €150 spent on the seminar was a good investment, as I can now see from your example.

The application must name a person responsible for traffic safety who is actually required to ensure safety on Sundays and public holidays (cleaning up after storms, etc.). Apparently, something has been going wrong at your site for quite some time. It’s best to speak with the traffic authority to find out what the issue is and how to resolve it (getting the problem off your hands, not just removing the crane).
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Pinkiponk
27 Nov 2023 11:00
Allthewayup schrieb:

Either you are wealthy enough that it doesn’t matter, or you have lost control of your life.

In my opinion, you missed the point that, from my perspective, competent and reliable people usually depend on others to also do their jobs competently and reliably. My husband and/or I were regularly on the construction site, but “actually” only to replenish drinks, food, etc. We were always available as contact persons for any issues but tried to avoid giving the impression that we were supervising or controlling anything. However, this was our first time dealing with construction work, so maybe it’s different in that field.
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hanghaus2023
27 Nov 2023 11:30
I just checked. You’re the one dealing with the Berlin-style shoring. The building authority already had concerns about the stability of the sidewalk.

Now you’ve also violated traffic safety obligations and missed deadlines?? Unfortunately, you probably can’t be helped. You ignored the advice to have competent supervision on the construction site.

So why are you asking for help here in the forum if you don’t accept it?

Construction management is a job that requires considerable training and experience. It’s not a hobby.
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Pinkiponk schrieb:

In my opinion, you forgot the point that, from my perspective, competent and reliable people usually rely on others to do their jobs competently and reliably as well.

However, there is no reason for this kind of "presumption of innocence" here. A Christian might turn the other cheek sometimes, but there is a limit to being nice. In my opinion, the site manager of the original poster has clearly demonstrated an excellent suitability for what the King of Burladingen would call a "failure." If I worked at the local building or regulatory authority and was reading this, I would have long since asked my legal department whether a stop-work order should at least be threatened. From my point of view, the client should at least be required to officially nominate a reliable contact person due to the proven unsuitability of the current site manager.
Buchsbaum schrieb:

Now you are exaggerating a bit. Points on your driving record and a driving ban? That’s a stretch.

No, the client is allowing one of their agents to continue the special use of public road space after the permit has expired. Whether it is excessive to see this as a dangerous interference with road traffic probably depends on how long the continuation lasts. A crane "illegally parked" for several days is by no means a trivial matter. I get the impression the original poster thinks: "I’ll call the traffic warden to see if they just shrug it off." If the authority shares this impression, my concerns about reasonable doubts regarding their reliability (mind you, actions and omissions by agents are attributable to the principal) are by no means unfounded.
Buchsbaum schrieb:

When the permit expires, the crane must be removed. It is on public land. Either a new permit is granted, or it must be relocated. How much longer does it need to stay? Maybe another two weeks can be negotiated and then the construction is finished. The expired permit was requested by the general contractor. Possibly, the client can apply for a permit now.

Certainly, the client should theoretically apply for this themselves now, and it must be a new permit, as an expired one cannot be extended. In practice, however, the authority has already indicated that no new permit will be issued. Therefore, any further toleration of the crane not being removed without delay risks representing an independent breach of duty by the authority. This is not some childish game as the original poster seems to imagine. Whistling the tune "I’m small and innocent (naivety can’t be punishable, right?)" does not seem to me an "appropriate response" here *SCNR*.
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xMisterDx
27 Nov 2023 12:31
Pinkiponk schrieb:

In my opinion, you forgot the point that, from my perspective, competent and reliable people usually rely on others to do their jobs competently and reliably as well. (...)


That is almost childishly naive, sorry. In which industry does that actually work like this?
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WilderSueden
27 Nov 2023 12:50
Allthewayup schrieb:

I visit my construction site (where a house is being built) twice a day, and even more often when several trades are working at the same time. I just don’t understand how someone can commit to a six-figure investment and then practically leave it to manage itself. Either they are wealthy enough not to care, or they have lost control over their own life.

It always depends on how close you live. If you spend 45 minutes each way by car, it’s a completely different situation than when you have just a 5-minute trip and can easily fit site visits before work, after work, and during lunch break. It’s unfortunate, but not everyone can afford to build their house where they currently live.

However, I can strongly recommend that the original poster contact the local authority (building permit office/planning department) by phone and explain the situation. That helped me arrange my construction water connection quickly, even though the utility provider was not required to accommodate me that way.