ᐅ Raise the planned click vinyl floor or increase the screed level?
Created on: 9 Sep 2017 17:49
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Ricard0
Hello everyone,
during today’s site inspection, it was noticed that the screed is surprisingly low. There is about 1.5cm (0.6 inches) of space between the screed and the door frames. The same applies at the transition from the screed to the metal edge of the stairs (where the staircase begins and the floor level normally forms the first step).
The tile and vinyl installer recommended an 8mm (0.3 inches) underlay for the 5mm (0.2 inches) click vinyl. This would make the total floor construction 13mm (0.5 inches), which he considers ideal. We immediately dismissed the original plan to have him glue down 2.5mm (0.1 inches) vinyl.
Originally, I wanted to use a 1mm (0.04 inches) underlay beneath the 5mm (0.2 inches) planks on the other floors. Now I’m concerned that a thicker underlay might negatively affect the stability of the click connections.
Another option would be to raise this issue with the developer and request height adjustment using self-leveling compound.
A third option: use 1mm (0.04 inches) underlay, 5mm (0.2 inches) vinyl, and adjust the frames with silicone. However, this would create unsightly gaps between the door leaf and the floor covering.
The plan is to install Gerflor Insight Clic 55 vinyl as a floating floor, using Gerflor Acoustic underlay underneath.
The area involved is 50m² (538 square feet) of continuous surface.
Which options do you think are reasonable and feasible?
Best regards,
Ricardo
during today’s site inspection, it was noticed that the screed is surprisingly low. There is about 1.5cm (0.6 inches) of space between the screed and the door frames. The same applies at the transition from the screed to the metal edge of the stairs (where the staircase begins and the floor level normally forms the first step).
The tile and vinyl installer recommended an 8mm (0.3 inches) underlay for the 5mm (0.2 inches) click vinyl. This would make the total floor construction 13mm (0.5 inches), which he considers ideal. We immediately dismissed the original plan to have him glue down 2.5mm (0.1 inches) vinyl.
Originally, I wanted to use a 1mm (0.04 inches) underlay beneath the 5mm (0.2 inches) planks on the other floors. Now I’m concerned that a thicker underlay might negatively affect the stability of the click connections.
Another option would be to raise this issue with the developer and request height adjustment using self-leveling compound.
A third option: use 1mm (0.04 inches) underlay, 5mm (0.2 inches) vinyl, and adjust the frames with silicone. However, this would create unsightly gaps between the door leaf and the floor covering.
The plan is to install Gerflor Insight Clic 55 vinyl as a floating floor, using Gerflor Acoustic underlay underneath.
The area involved is 50m² (538 square feet) of continuous surface.
Which options do you think are reasonable and feasible?
Best regards,
Ricardo
Nordlys schrieb:
A leveling compound of 1 to 2.5 mm (up to 0.1 inch) will be applied over the screed. Then the vinyl flooring with about 2.5 mm (0.1 inch). Where does that leave you?
It’s also unwise to install door frames before the screed. Why is he doing that? KarstenHello Karsten,
2.5 mm (0.1 inch) leveling compound plus 2.5 mm (0.1 inch) vinyl equals 5 mm (0.2 inch). That would leave a 1 cm (0.4 inch) gap under the door frames. Likewise, the gap between the floor covering and the door leaf would be larger than intended.
What makes you think the screed was installed after the door frames? That was not the case.
Regarding the question of glue-down versus click-lock installation: yes, opinions differ. Both options have advantages and disadvantages.
I would like to ask if there are any additional drawbacks to using an 8 mm (0.3 inch) underlayment beneath the click vinyl. For example, does it cause a spongy feel when walking? Are the click joints less stable due to the thicker and thus more flexible underlay?
Best regards,
Ricard0
Version one. Tiles in the hallway, vinyl in the rooms. Fits well. The tiling goes right up to the door frame and nearly reaches the required height. The rest is covered by a silicone joint. Version two. Only vinyl is used. Then it doesn’t fit well. In the past, a wooden threshold would have been installed, properly sealed. Would that work? As for raising the floor with a build-up, I would also have doubts. What do the professionals say? Flooring installers? Karsten
The small guest bathroom is already tiled and is the only room on this floor planned to have tiles. The rest will be covered throughout with vinyl flooring.
My tiler, who is also intended to install the vinyl, suggested using an 8 mm underlay beneath the click vinyl. However, online research indicates that a firm substrate is required for click vinyl to ensure the joints between planks hold securely.
My current idea is to use a 1 mm underlay (recommended by the vinyl manufacturer) with 5 mm vinyl on top. The remaining 9 mm should be concealed as well as possible with silicone around the door frames. Fortunately, that only affects three doors (one of which is already the guest bathroom door) and the front door. One door from the living-dining area leads down to the basement, so even with a tiled hallway, this issue cannot be completely avoided.
Using leveling compound to adjust the height is problematic because it would limit the option of installing tiles there later on.
I also have a question regarding whether the kitchen floor should go directly over the click vinyl without a separate expansion joint, directly on the screed, or on a small vinyl island with its own expansion joint. But that is a different topic.
Best regards
Ricard0
My tiler, who is also intended to install the vinyl, suggested using an 8 mm underlay beneath the click vinyl. However, online research indicates that a firm substrate is required for click vinyl to ensure the joints between planks hold securely.
My current idea is to use a 1 mm underlay (recommended by the vinyl manufacturer) with 5 mm vinyl on top. The remaining 9 mm should be concealed as well as possible with silicone around the door frames. Fortunately, that only affects three doors (one of which is already the guest bathroom door) and the front door. One door from the living-dining area leads down to the basement, so even with a tiled hallway, this issue cannot be completely avoided.
Using leveling compound to adjust the height is problematic because it would limit the option of installing tiles there later on.
I also have a question regarding whether the kitchen floor should go directly over the click vinyl without a separate expansion joint, directly on the screed, or on a small vinyl island with its own expansion joint. But that is a different topic.
Best regards
Ricard0
That's right, at least new door frames would be good. That wouldn't solve the issue with the tall front door and the transition to the bathroom, but at least the door frames wouldn’t look so awkward. And the doors wouldn’t hang so high above the flooring.
I will bring this up and hope that the builder doesn’t go with the proposed solution of raising the screed with leveling compound...
Thanks for the suggestion.
I will bring this up and hope that the builder doesn’t go with the proposed solution of raising the screed with leveling compound...
Thanks for the suggestion.
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