ᐅ Plan the house first and buy the land afterwards?

Created on: 9 Jan 2018 16:37
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Spritti123
My girlfriend and I want to start building within the next 1-4 years. We already have a clear idea of our house. We know exactly that we want to build in the town where we already live. However, I think our house might not fit on the plots in the new development area. The largest plots are 680 square meters (7309 square feet) and have a maximum ridge height of 9.5 meters (31 feet). I also don’t want the house to feel cramped on the lot. So I was wondering if it would make more sense to first discuss our wishes with an architect, who could then look for a suitable plot where the house would actually fit. Or am I completely on the wrong track, and is this approach very unusual?

Here are our ideas for the house. I just added one thing from another discussion here on the forum. My girlfriend is really into steel trims for window decoration. Can an architect work with a requirement like that?

Plot/House General

  • Number of floors does not matter – maximum 4 if the attic is developed
  • Attic, if not developed, used as storage
  • Basement, if included, with windows
  • No sloped ceilings in any rooms except for a developed attic or on the 4th floor
  • Roof shape does not matter, just no flat roof
  • Brick facade
  • Terrace not too close to neighboring plot, minimum 5 meters (16 feet) distance
  • Large double garage
  • 2 outdoor parking spaces for cars

Entrance Area (Vestibule/Foyer)

  • Entrance area with wardrobe
  • Stairs not in the entrance area but in the hallway leading to the living area
  • Access to the garage from the entrance area

Dining/Living Room

  • Only dining and living room open plan – kitchen in a separate room
  • Dining table for minimum 10 people; chairs or corner bench possible
  • Living room space for 2 large functional sofas (3-seat) and side tables
  • Fireplace visible from the sofas
  • Large media wall with TV

Kitchen

  • Lots of storage – small dining table for 4 people
  • Doors to the hallway and dining area

Master Suite

  • Bedroom
  • Walk-in closet
  • Bathroom with tub, large shower, double sink
  • Separate toilet

Children’s Rooms

  • 2 rooms at least 16 square meters (172 square feet) each
  • Separate bathroom for children with tub and shower

Fitness Room

  • At least 30 square meters (323 square feet)

Office

  • At least 14 square meters (150 square feet)

Guest WC

  • Without shower or tub

Terrace

  • Partially covered (without glass)
  • Dining table for 10 people
  • Outdoor kitchen (grill/sink/fridge/work surface)
  • Terrace large enough to also fit 6 beer garden-style benches with backrests
  • Terrace must be open on only 2 sides
  • Transparent protective roller shutters on the terrace
  • Terrace accessible from the living/dining area and level with no steps

Heating/Utility Room

  • Large, also suitable for washing and drying clothes – possibly a separate room for washing and drying on the sleeping level

Special Requests

  • Large separate room for bicycles/trash bins/car tires/lawnmower/garden tools etc.
  • Storage closet on each floor
  • Central vacuum system
  • Fireplace in the living room connected to the heating system
  • Central ventilation/alarm system/underfloor heating/shutters/lights – electronically controlled via units in ground floor hallway and master bedroom
  • Steel trims embedded in plaster in the window lintels, wallpapered over. Window decorations freely positionable on magnetic hooks
  • Lots of indirect lighting
  • Visible beams (rustic modern), can also be fake
  • Alarm system securing lower windows and doors
  • Laundry chute (omit if there is a separate laundry room on the sleeping level)
  • Solar system
  • Attic, if present, accessible via regular stairs
  • Accessible for disabled – doors and corridors wide enough – enough space for stairlift
  • Many electrical outlets
  • LAN cables in office and children’s rooms
  • Finished ceiling height slightly higher because of visible (fake) beams or suspended ceilings (indirect lighting)
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Spritti123
10 Jan 2018 09:32
Then you need to properly discipline your child.
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Egon12
10 Jan 2018 09:35
Spritti123 schrieb:
Then you need to properly discipline your child.
Thanks for the helpful advice.

I will then tell my 12-month-old baby not to explore the whole house but to chain them to the heating system in the basement.

Oh wait, that’s not possible... no basement or wall heating—now what?
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Spritti123
10 Jan 2018 09:35
The topic can be closed. I have enough information. Many thanks to everyone, and I’m looking forward to sharing my floor plan.
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Egon12
10 Jan 2018 09:48
I’m estimating around 220 sq meters (2,368 sq feet), a city villa in Bauhaus style
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chand1986
10 Jan 2018 09:53
Spritti123

I mean everything, roughly:

Living/Dining: 50 m² (540 sq ft)
Kitchen/Dining (small): 20 m² (215 sq ft)
Children’s rooms: 35 m² (380 sq ft)
Bedroom/Dressing room: 20 m² (215 sq ft)
Bathroom 1: 15 m² (160 sq ft)
Bathroom 2: 10 m² (110 sq ft)
Guest WC: 5 m² (54 sq ft)
Utility room: 10 m² (110 sq ft)
Technical room: 10 m² (110 sq ft)
Office: 15 m² (160 sq ft)
Gym: 30 m² (320 sq ft)
Hallways/Entrance: ?

220 m² (2,370 sq ft) without hallways, with very generous rooms. That easily gets you to 250 m² (2,690 sq ft), not 300 m² (3,230 sq ft).

If you find a good layout and reduce some square meters (the ballroom-sized living & dining area first has to be made cozy, or a bit smaller?), you’ll end up under 250 m² (2,690 sq ft).

Bathrooms and kitchen can be that large but don’t have to be, without losing comfort.

What really works, what’s really needed and practical usually only becomes clear during the floor plan design phase.
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Spritti123
10 Jan 2018 10:02
I could live with the room sizes, even very comfortably. It probably won’t be as grand as everyone expects.