ᐅ Planning a new build with a design inspired by "Schinkel" or "Persius" style
Created on: 31 Jan 2022 13:41
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Pianist
Good day!
Are there people here who have completed a house project where they aimed to build everything exactly as it would have been done in Schinkel’s time? I mean a house that meets today’s technical and energy standards, but where every visual detail is crafted just like the old master or one of his students would have done. In the end, you get a building that is technically state-of-the-art but looks as if it has stood there for around 200 years. Of course, such a building needs to be located in a suitable place, not in a generic new housing development, so let’s leave the question of the plot aside. Naturally, I also assume that it complies with any existing textual requirements of a building permit / planning permission.
But the question is: Is this done? Is it appropriate? Or is it a “no-go”? There are of course historicist approaches realized by contemporary architectural firms, but I mean a 1:1 replica of a building that genuinely could have been built back then.
Technically, it should be no problem to implement this with skilled craftsmen specialized in renovating such buildings—for example, for the plaster façade with decorative elements or for the windows. You could also work with a shallow-pitched gable roof where photovoltaic panels could be integrated in a way that they are barely visible from below.
I would simply find such a project “cool,” but I don’t know if it might inadvertently violate some ethos or an unwritten architectural rule...
And to make one thing very clear right away: I am very glad to live in the Federal Republic of Germany in the year 2022. Just to avoid any misunderstandings...
Matthias
Are there people here who have completed a house project where they aimed to build everything exactly as it would have been done in Schinkel’s time? I mean a house that meets today’s technical and energy standards, but where every visual detail is crafted just like the old master or one of his students would have done. In the end, you get a building that is technically state-of-the-art but looks as if it has stood there for around 200 years. Of course, such a building needs to be located in a suitable place, not in a generic new housing development, so let’s leave the question of the plot aside. Naturally, I also assume that it complies with any existing textual requirements of a building permit / planning permission.
But the question is: Is this done? Is it appropriate? Or is it a “no-go”? There are of course historicist approaches realized by contemporary architectural firms, but I mean a 1:1 replica of a building that genuinely could have been built back then.
Technically, it should be no problem to implement this with skilled craftsmen specialized in renovating such buildings—for example, for the plaster façade with decorative elements or for the windows. You could also work with a shallow-pitched gable roof where photovoltaic panels could be integrated in a way that they are barely visible from below.
I would simply find such a project “cool,” but I don’t know if it might inadvertently violate some ethos or an unwritten architectural rule...
And to make one thing very clear right away: I am very glad to live in the Federal Republic of Germany in the year 2022. Just to avoid any misunderstandings...
Matthias
Pianist schrieb:
However, this seems to be the case I would personally exclude, namely a new development area. But I do realize that plots aren’t just lying around on the street waiting to be picked up...Yep, Potsdam Bornstedt. Land value standard 650 €/m² (plot size about 700 m² (7,535 sq ft)), when the house was built (2013/14? Photo is from spring 2016) it was less than half, more like one-third.
I also took photos of it because I liked it...
Regards
At these prices, it really makes your head spin. Especially since there are additional incidental costs on top of that. I wonder if this will go on forever or if this bubble will eventually burst. In the future, the land value standard will also be included in property tax calculations. That means: even if someone has no intention of selling because they live there themselves, they will still be heavily charged just because there are people somewhere in the world apparently willing to pay any price for land in Germany. And then you also have to assume that, in the medium term, single-family houses as such will be classified as "politically undesirable"...
On the other hand, my family has a huge piece of land in Berlin, which we basically can’t do much with except mow the lawn, because the buildable area ends immediately behind the existing buildings.
Matthias
On the other hand, my family has a huge piece of land in Berlin, which we basically can’t do much with except mow the lawn, because the buildable area ends immediately behind the existing buildings.
Matthias
DennisW schrieb:
Buildings like these are common in Potsdam and the surrounding areas.
Personally, I don’t like them and don’t find them very attractive.
But that’s just my personal taste. What exactly don’t you like about them? That the execution is not good enough, but rather half-hearted? Or that it’s immediately obvious the designer didn’t understand Schinkel’s architectural language?
On the other hand, I wonder: If you are one of the lucky few who own a nice plot of land in a good location in Potsdam, what else should you build there? Nowadays, you also have to consider energy efficiency and ecological balance, so the roof should be designed to accommodate photovoltaic panels effectively. But you also need to build to withstand storms, so a green flat roof with tilted photovoltaic modules placed on top is not a solution, because those would be blown away, whereas a roof with a 20-degree slope and integrated photovoltaic modules will generally hold up. And that brings us right back to Schinkel’s architectural language.
Matthias
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Georgian20192 Feb 2022 17:0611ant schrieb:
Your request is nothing new; we already discussed this back in October 2018: https://www.hausbau-forum.de/threads/edles-wohnhaus-im-roemischen-stil-wer-baut-sowas.28914/ and otherwise you can check out Vogel Architects in Berlin or look into Stoeter villas. Both architects create really impressive villas... unfortunately, they were beyond our budget. So we decided to plan and build it ourselves.
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