Hello,
this thread is for those readers who, like us, often feel a bit lost here.
We are about to sign a contract for building a house to KfW 40 standard with a local general contractor. Financing through KfW and ISB.
A brief introduction about us
Income and assets situation:
Expenses:
Mobility costs: for 2 cars total
Insurance costs:
Living expenses:
Summary of income and expenses:
General information about the property:
Construction or purchase costs:
Other costs:
Cost summary:
Necessary loan details:
Let the show begin. Looking forward to your feedback. I thought it might be interesting since some questions of this kind have come up recently.
this thread is for those readers who, like us, often feel a bit lost here.
We are about to sign a contract for building a house to KfW 40 standard with a local general contractor. Financing through KfW and ISB.
A brief introduction about us
- Who are you? H. and M.
- How old are you? 33 and 30
- Any children? One boy, turning one next week
- Are more children planned? None due to the house build
- What do you do for work? H: CNC machinist, M: administrative clerk
- Are you employed, self-employed, retired, homemaker, etc.? Employed
- How many hours do you work? H: 40 plus a part-time job twice a week for 2 hours each, M: 16 hours (part-time on parental leave)
Income and assets situation:
- What income do you have (gross/net)? H: 3258/2312 plus part-time job about 250 €; M: 1282/1048
- How much child benefit do you receive? 250 €
- Other benefits like parental allowance, sick pay, etc.?
- How much equity do you have? 130,000
- How much of that equity do you plan to invest in the house project? 100,000
Expenses:
- Current cold rent (rent excluding utilities) 450 €
- Current warm rent (rent including utilities) 550 €
- Electricity 75 €
- Phone, internet, mobile 80 €
Mobility costs: for 2 cars total
- Insurance 96 €
- Taxes 26 €
- Fuel 210 €
Insurance costs:
- Liability insurance 6.60 €
- Capital or term life insurance 13 €
- Pension insurance (including Riester, Rürup, etc.) 100 €
- Disability insurance 126 €
- Accident insurance 45 €
- Household contents insurance 4 €
- Union fees 33 €
Living expenses:
- Groceries 500 €
- Eating out 0
- Personal care/drugstore 40 €
- Clothing 20 €
- Cleaning 5 €
Summary of income and expenses:
- Total income 3860
- Total expenses 1899.6
- Balance 1961
- of which cold rent 450
General information about the property:
- How large is the plot? 663 sqm (7135 sq ft)
- Dimensions? 24 x 27.5 m (79 x 90 ft)
- Land value? 65 € per sqm (approximately 6 per sq ft)
- New build, existing house (year built), type of house? New build, detached house, gable roof, KfW 40, 1.5 storeys
- Garages? Single garage
- Size of the house? (Living area / usable area) Living area 129 sqm (1390 sq ft), usable area 143 sqm (1540 sq ft) plus 32 sqm (344 sq ft) garage
- Market value of land and house after completion? 503,000 €
Construction or purchase costs:
- Land costs 43,095 €
- Additional acquisition costs (notary, court, property transfer tax, agent) 2400 €
- Construction or purchase costs (including architect, structural engineer) 386,000 €
- Construction ancillary costs (e.g., utility connections, soil expert, construction power, etc.) 5,000 €
- Outdoor facilities/terrace, paths, garden design, fences, etc. 10,000 €
- Total costs 446,495 €
Other costs:
- Kitchen costs 15,000 €
- Photovoltaic system 12,000 € (6 kW with 6 kW battery storage)
- Energy consultant 5,325 €
- Garage in owner’s construction 17,500 €
- Front door 4,500 €
Cost summary:
- Total costs 500,820 €
- Deductible equity 145,495 €
- Financing amount 355,525 €
Necessary loan details:
- Loan amount 170,000 € KfW, 175,000 € ISB LM
- Loan type (e.g., annuity loan, bullet loan, etc.) annuity loan
- Interest rate (p.a. nominal, otherwise effective) 0.53 % KfW, 3.4 % ISB
- Fixed interest period 10 years KfW, until full repayment ISB
- Estimated total term until full repayment September 30, 2052
- Initial repayment rate KfW 2.77 %, ISB 1.8 %
- Monthly payment KfW 469.03 €, ISB 758.33 €, total: 1,226.06 €
- Are prepayments allowed? (Please state amount) ISB 10% per year
Let the show begin. Looking forward to your feedback. I thought it might be interesting since some questions of this kind have come up recently.
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Buschreiter21 Dec 2023 06:42I am definitely very curious to see how things develop further! It would be great if we could continue to read updates about this here.
H
HausNummer 921 Dec 2023 08:49Offtopic schrieb:
The bill will never come out differently in the end..We signed it as a fixed price...W
WilderSueden21 Dec 2023 08:51HausNummer 9 schrieb:
But that is probably why so-called "normal people" with simple lives who really have very few expenses end up here. I made a spreadsheet back then to track all expenses, separated by categories and divided into monthly and annual costs, with the annual costs converted into monthly amounts. Annual expenses are often easy to overlook. Definitely, several items were added to the spreadsheet after I thought it was finished. And three months later, part of the spreadsheet became irrelevant because diesel fuel was at 2.20€ per liter (about $2.35 per liter) and food prices skyrocketed. So it’s important to plan a generous buffer. By the way, not only for the mortgage payments but also for the overall house budget. We still have some smaller invoices and landscaping work outstanding, and I didn’t track every single screw order from Amazon or every trip to the hardware store or gravel supplier (at first I was meticulous, but eventually, it became tedious). But it’s already clear that we are significantly over the estimated budget. The individual reasons for the cost overruns—apart from the patio roof—are usually not expensive on their own. But they add up.
HausNummer 9 schrieb:
We signed a fixed price contract... You signed a fixed price contract based on the building specification. Anything not included there will be added on. Whether it’s an extra socket or an additional 10€ per square meter (about $10 per square foot) surcharge for tiles, etc. A fixed price is only as reliable as the building specification it refers to.
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Buchsbaum21 Dec 2023 08:54xMisterDx schrieb:
Your "cold rent" is rising from 450 to 1,250 EUR. That’s the monthly payment. Your additional costs are increasing from 100 EUR (extremely cheap—does that include heating?) to easily 300 EUR. I wouldn’t expect additional costs of 300 euros for a single-family house of this size. In my opinion, that’s calculated very low, especially considering future developments.
Costs are rising everywhere and quickly. Everyone just wants your money. I would budget 600–700 euros, or even more.
So, loan payments plus additional costs are already around 2,000 euros, and likely to increase further. Grocery expenses will also certainly rise.
We just had an increase in our children’s meal fees as of 01.01.24, which is now over 100 euros per month (5.30 euros daily).
Your equity practically invites you to build your house much more cheaply and to avoid using a general contractor.
But of course, that’s your decision.
H
HausNummer 921 Dec 2023 08:57Delicosa schrieb:
Hi,
I usually just read quietly, but maybe for the original poster as a comparison (offer from 19.12.2023). We are currently planning ourselves.
Construction electricity in our calculation (solid construction): 5,500 euros for construction power and 12,000 euros for utility connections (electricity/water/internet). (Of course, costs depend on how far the connections need to be extended per meter.) In Schleswig-Holstein, for example, some towns do not offer gas connections, which naturally reduces costs somewhat. (Excluding additional costs for alternative heating systems).
The soil survey also costs around 1,000 euros, or was that included? (Sorry if I missed that.)
I wouldn’t immediately suspect ignorance here; maybe someone simply trusted the general contractor or it is thoroughly detailed in the draft purchase agreement? In our contract it states:
Application for construction electricity and water, installation of the electrical panel, and provision of the construction water connection.
Furthermore:
All earthworks and irrigation work are included, including the delivery and installation of the cistern.
The soil survey is also included.
I appreciate the constructive criticism here, but I never understand why some people feel the need to "attack" others right away like some original thread posters do.
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RotorMotor21 Dec 2023 09:31What is the current status?
The contract is now signed, but what about the financing?
Is there anything left to discuss here, or is everything already settled?
So, you pay for the electricity yourselves?
Do you also cover heating the screed?
So, the removal of excavated material is not included?
Are you storing it on the property, or do you pay for disposal yourselves?
What does your local authority charge for connecting water and electricity?
Are floor coverings included?
Is painting included?
What electrical work is included, and what do you need to arrange separately?
How much do the bathroom and staircase need to be customized?
The contract is now signed, but what about the financing?
Is there anything left to discuss here, or is everything already settled?
HausNummer 9 schrieb:
Our contract says:
Application for construction electricity and construction water, installation of the electrical box, and provision of construction water connection
So, you pay for the electricity yourselves?
Do you also cover heating the screed?
HausNummer 9 schrieb:
All earthworks and irrigation work are included, including delivery and installation of the cistern.
The soil survey is also included.
So, the removal of excavated material is not included?
Are you storing it on the property, or do you pay for disposal yourselves?
What does your local authority charge for connecting water and electricity?
Are floor coverings included?
Is painting included?
What electrical work is included, and what do you need to arrange separately?
How much do the bathroom and staircase need to be customized?
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