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DoctorDre10 Dec 2024 15:36Good day or hello!
We are completely renovating a single-family house from 1972 and are currently converting the already developed attic to suit our needs. However, we do not yet find the floor plan for the attic optimal and are eager to hear your collective expertise. We have an architect who is assisting us with both the renovation and the floor plan design.
Existing condition
The attic currently has four rooms, four small bathrooms, and a kitchenette. In recent years, the attic was rented out as a holiday apartment/room.
Uninsulated 38-degree (38°) pitched roof with collar beams and concrete tiles
Brick facade
Double-glazed windows
Single-pipe heating system with radiators
Electrical system from the year built
Planned condition according to BAFA (Federal Office for Economic Affairs and Export Control) criteria
Energy-efficient renovation including external thermal insulation composite system (ETICS) and brick slips
New windows
New roof including insulation
Heat pump including underfloor heating throughout the entire house
New sanitary installations
These are the most important key data, I believe. The financing and schedule are all settled; it’s just the attic floor plan that we are focusing on.
All interior walls have been removed, screed as well as heating and water pipes removed. We are currently on the bare concrete slab.
The attic should include:
- Two similarly sized children’s rooms
- One bathroom with bathtub, large shower enclosure, double washbasin, and toilet
- Spacious bedroom for a double bed with walk-in closet
The following restrictions apply:
- Fresh water and waste water lines must remain on the “left” side of the house (when looking at the floor plan) because that is where the main stack is located
- Staircase and chimney cannot be moved
The current floor plan actually meets almost all criteria—except for the missing bathtub and the bathroom size.
We now have the following idea, and this is where you come in. We are considering leaving the bathroom as it is on the floor plan and extending it downwards towards the walk-in closet. This means the toilet area would be removed to create a passage “down” (on the floor plan) where currently the walk-in closet is, and the bathtub and shower would be located there. So, essentially one walks around the staircase.
This reduces the size of the walk-in closet somewhat, but we would have our bathtub and the spacious, somewhat irregularly shaped bathroom.
The problem is the headroom height between the toilet bathroom and the bathtub bathroom. Proposed solution—installing a Velux space-saving window or dormer. Of course, this comes with significant cost.
Do you have any other ideas on how to solve this? A dormer would be absolutely great but also quite expensive. Also, we cannot enclose the stairwell further because then we wouldn’t have a 2m (6 ft 7 in) passage height.
Do you have a completely different floor plan or idea? I’m curious to hear your thoughts.
We are completely renovating a single-family house from 1972 and are currently converting the already developed attic to suit our needs. However, we do not yet find the floor plan for the attic optimal and are eager to hear your collective expertise. We have an architect who is assisting us with both the renovation and the floor plan design.
Existing condition
The attic currently has four rooms, four small bathrooms, and a kitchenette. In recent years, the attic was rented out as a holiday apartment/room.
Uninsulated 38-degree (38°) pitched roof with collar beams and concrete tiles
Brick facade
Double-glazed windows
Single-pipe heating system with radiators
Electrical system from the year built
Planned condition according to BAFA (Federal Office for Economic Affairs and Export Control) criteria
Energy-efficient renovation including external thermal insulation composite system (ETICS) and brick slips
New windows
New roof including insulation
Heat pump including underfloor heating throughout the entire house
New sanitary installations
These are the most important key data, I believe. The financing and schedule are all settled; it’s just the attic floor plan that we are focusing on.
All interior walls have been removed, screed as well as heating and water pipes removed. We are currently on the bare concrete slab.
The attic should include:
- Two similarly sized children’s rooms
- One bathroom with bathtub, large shower enclosure, double washbasin, and toilet
- Spacious bedroom for a double bed with walk-in closet
The following restrictions apply:
- Fresh water and waste water lines must remain on the “left” side of the house (when looking at the floor plan) because that is where the main stack is located
- Staircase and chimney cannot be moved
The current floor plan actually meets almost all criteria—except for the missing bathtub and the bathroom size.
We now have the following idea, and this is where you come in. We are considering leaving the bathroom as it is on the floor plan and extending it downwards towards the walk-in closet. This means the toilet area would be removed to create a passage “down” (on the floor plan) where currently the walk-in closet is, and the bathtub and shower would be located there. So, essentially one walks around the staircase.
This reduces the size of the walk-in closet somewhat, but we would have our bathtub and the spacious, somewhat irregularly shaped bathroom.
The problem is the headroom height between the toilet bathroom and the bathtub bathroom. Proposed solution—installing a Velux space-saving window or dormer. Of course, this comes with significant cost.
Do you have any other ideas on how to solve this? A dormer would be absolutely great but also quite expensive. Also, we cannot enclose the stairwell further because then we wouldn’t have a 2m (6 ft 7 in) passage height.
Do you have a completely different floor plan or idea? I’m curious to hear your thoughts.
DoctorDre schrieb:
We are completely renovating a single-family house from 1972 and are currently converting the already developed attic to suit our needs. [...]
EXISTING CONDITION
The attic has four rooms, four small bathrooms, and a kitchenette. The attic was rented out in recent years as a holiday apartment/rooms. However, the floor plan does not show the same; please also include the ground floor.
DoctorDre schrieb:
All interior walls have been removed, the screed, heating, and water installations have been taken out. We are standing on the bare concrete slab. Concrete slab? — all dimensions and wall thicknesses seem more typical of a prefabricated house.
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roteweste schrieb:
The plot and orientation are certainly important as well.Well, in my opinion, it’s not that relevant here. I think the design is already close to optimal, and I can’t immediately see where you could improve it further. The staircase is as it is and limits the possibilities available here.I also don’t see any need for additional information.
The attic is gutted, nothing remains, and the architect has drawn a good design.
I would have no problem turning the planned shower into a nice bathtub and simply showering there.
That would be my suggestion.
If you insist on a dormer, please make it extend over the entire bathroom, as the access to the toilet is not exactly head-friendly either.
The attic is gutted, nothing remains, and the architect has drawn a good design.
I would have no problem turning the planned shower into a nice bathtub and simply showering there.
That would be my suggestion.
If you insist on a dormer, please make it extend over the entire bathroom, as the access to the toilet is not exactly head-friendly either.
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DoctorDre10 Dec 2024 21:43Wow, thank you very much for your quick responses.
That’s correct, the attic is gutted except for the concrete ceiling. The walls will be rebuilt using 15 cm (6 inches) drywall construction, which might explain the thought of a prefab house. Otherwise, the house is fairly generously sized (for 1972) 😉 I was advised several times against using new masonry walls. Even my uncle, a master bricklayer with 32 years of experience, says that nowadays drywall is preferred—especially if it is built well and solidly.
I have also considered the ground floor, cardinal directions, and other information irrelevant. If anyone needs these details to assess the attic floor plan more precisely, just let me know.
That’s correct, the attic is gutted except for the concrete ceiling. The walls will be rebuilt using 15 cm (6 inches) drywall construction, which might explain the thought of a prefab house. Otherwise, the house is fairly generously sized (for 1972) 😉 I was advised several times against using new masonry walls. Even my uncle, a master bricklayer with 32 years of experience, says that nowadays drywall is preferred—especially if it is built well and solidly.
I have also considered the ground floor, cardinal directions, and other information irrelevant. If anyone needs these details to assess the attic floor plan more precisely, just let me know.
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