ᐅ Experience with infrared heating systems

PeterPaule schrieb:

Best regards on this sunny day

Where in the far north is the sun actually shining right now? 🤨

altoderneu schrieb:

Shouldn't you change the plumber first?

If you’re building with a general contractor, that’s usually not possible. You can also find cases where the plumber refused to carry out requested adjustments (pipe spacing, etc.) even when offered to cover the costs. Usually, you don’t even have a right to access the site.

altoderneu schrieb:

A heating system that DOES NOT require expensive energy?

Okay, then I’ll define "follow-up costs": no service contracts, no replacement of technical parts, basically all the usual maintenance costs you typically have with a heating system over the years. Breakdowns don’t occur either, unless the public power grid fails.

PeterPaule schrieb:

Thanks first of all for the wide-ranging and numerous feedback, that’s a lot of input

Feel free to contact me directly if you have any questions.

PeterPaule schrieb:

Oh yes, regarding the missing follow-up costs, we are of course very curious...

My energy consultant, who has implemented this many times before, would have advised me against it if it made no sense. There are also reliable studies on this, so no jokes from the pub, plus reference properties.

Hamburch schrieb:

Where in the far north is the sun actually shining right now? 🤨

...and here near Dresden as well until just a little while ago. 😉

pagoni2020 schrieb:
If you are working with a general contractor (GC), this simply won’t work. You can also find cases where the installer refused to carry out requested changes (such as pipe spacing) even when offered to cover the additional costs.

Shouldn’t it be clarified BEFORE hiring a GC what exactly they are supposed to build?
(that is, which relevant "technologies" will be installed in the house)

Which heating system is a rather fundamental question!

Or do you first order a new car from Tesla ...

... and only THEN decide whether you want a van, an estate car (station wagon), or a coupe – and whether you prefer diesel or electric?

altoderneu schrieb:

Shouldn't you clarify WHAT the general contractor (GC) is supposed to build before hiring them?
(Meaning, which relevant "technologies" will be incorporated into the house)

The choice of heating system is a rather fundamental question!

Or do you first order a new car from Tesla...

... and only THEN decide whether you want a van, a station wagon (estate), or a coupe—and whether diesel or electric?

Reading through this forum might be helpful, among other things... or can you only write? 😀
Man, too bad I didn’t meet you before I started my build... darn it, but definitely next time. You can be found here: wxw.immerganzschlau.dö

I thought Tesla was a mixer...

Because of people like you, some stop sharing their projects, since you’re not interested in knowledge but only in mocking (Fuzzy = term of endearment)

pagoni2020 schrieb:

With the underfloor heating, I often had to open all the windows because of its inertia when the sun was shining outside, basically to cool down the house; what nonsense.

However, this is only partly due to the heat pump. It is mainly caused by solar heat gains through large windows and highly insulated houses. This "problem" can only be solved if you live in a poorly insulated house ;-) Once the heat is inside the house, it doesn’t escape—it’s like a thermos flask.
By the way, I still live in an uninsulated older house. Even now, when the sun shines strongly, the living room can reach up to 26°C (79°F).

pagoni2020 schrieb:

The heat pump experts here will tell you that the air-to-air heat pump is the worst of all options.

Only if they are installed in standard 55 buildings, which have heating loads that are too high for an air-to-air heat pump. Buildings with 40 standard or better look different.

That’s why it’s important to start by specifying what kind of house is being built. You have to approach it very carefully and with nuance.

First, define the building’s final energy performance. Then choose the heating system accordingly. Of course, you can say, “I want infrared heating and will build the house around it.” But that’s not the wisest decision...

Benutzer200 schrieb:

But this is only partly due to the heat pump. The main reason is the solar heat gains through large windows and extremely well-insulated houses. The "problem" can only be solved if you live in a poorly insulated house ;-)
Once the heat is inside the house, it doesn’t escape. It’s like a thermos flask.
By the way, I still live in an uninsulated older building. Even now, when the sun shines properly, it can get up to 26°C (79°F) in my living room.

In our previous residence, we didn’t have a heat pump but we did have underfloor heating, which I wasn’t entirely fond of. For some reason, I simply prefer being able to react quickly with a heating system. In spring, it could be annoying when it suddenly got very warm inside just because the sun came out. Then it was time to ventilate. We didn’t have large windows, as it was a listed building; summers were rather cool inside, probably because the underfloor heating was off. This only became an issue during the transitional seasons.

Benutzer200 schrieb:

Only when they are installed in typical 55-standard houses that have heating loads too high for air-to-air heat pumps. 40-standard and better look quite different.
That’s why the first question should always be what kind of house is being built. So you have to approach this very carefully.
First, determine the house’s final energy performance. Then choose the heat generator accordingly. Of course, you could also say, “I want infrared heating and will build the right house around it.” But that’s not the wisest decision...

Well, our situation was quite tricky since we didn’t want to build a house and already lived in a home. Then came Corona and everything shut down, which led to one thing after another. I was “constantly trying” even here in Saxony’s countryside, where I lacked important contacts, so this is how it all turned out and we actually like it here.
I never claimed to be an expert; the process would have been too long for me. I prioritize my comfort, which for me is less about a heat pump, infrared heating, or anything else. Even if it would have made sense energetically, I wouldn’t have installed underfloor heating since we wanted to keep our beautiful floorboards and the fireplace.
I would never want to engage so extensively with these topics; I just like it simple and cozy. I have both here, although now I would probably do everything differently again.
But yes, I don’t disagree with you regarding heat pump or underfloor heating technology—you clearly know your stuff. I simply asked those who are familiar with infrared heating and followed their advice. Fortunately, both or many options are possible.