ᐅ Contracting out individual trades yourself – what savings can this bring?
Created on: 16 Feb 2017 18:47
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kaho674
When planning our next house, we’re wondering (as a family) whether and how much you could save by contracting the trades yourself and supervising the construction on your own. You definitely need an architect for the documentation and so on, but after managing three houses, you could probably do without a site manager. Right? But how much can you actually save this way, we’re asking ourselves. Fees or percentages weren’t clearly visible on the invoice.
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But I want to give another example where we really noticed the cost difference. We’re currently building the workshop. We’re contracting it out directly. The basic structure of 6x8m (20x26 feet) is already up. What I’m concerned about is the roof. It measures 14m x 7m (46x23 feet) = 98m² (1,055 sq ft). We hired a local carpenter for the roof here. It’s a gable roof with a truss system. Including the covering, matching the tiles of the main house (same tiles), the roof cost us 16,500 Euros. This included all the work, the complete hassle-free package.
The main house has a roof measuring 11x12m (36x39 feet) = 132m² (1,421 sq ft), truss roof, hip roof design. So it’s bigger and more complex—no question. But it cost 34,000 Euros. More than double! If you calculate by square meters, it should have cost 22,224 Euros.
Is it really reasonable for a hip roof to cost 12,000 Euros more? What do you think? Is that still proportional?
But I want to give another example where we really noticed the cost difference. We’re currently building the workshop. We’re contracting it out directly. The basic structure of 6x8m (20x26 feet) is already up. What I’m concerned about is the roof. It measures 14m x 7m (46x23 feet) = 98m² (1,055 sq ft). We hired a local carpenter for the roof here. It’s a gable roof with a truss system. Including the covering, matching the tiles of the main house (same tiles), the roof cost us 16,500 Euros. This included all the work, the complete hassle-free package.
The main house has a roof measuring 11x12m (36x39 feet) = 132m² (1,421 sq ft), truss roof, hip roof design. So it’s bigger and more complex—no question. But it cost 34,000 Euros. More than double! If you calculate by square meters, it should have cost 22,224 Euros.
Is it really reasonable for a hip roof to cost 12,000 Euros more? What do you think? Is that still proportional?
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Bieber081517 Feb 2017 10:41kaho674 schrieb:
What do you think, is this still comparable? In my opinion, you can’t really answer that (How high? Scaffolding? Including roofing metalwork? What scope?). You have probably already considered comparability in terms of roof tiles, number of penetrations (ventilation, satellite dish, windows). The structural design, meaning the thickness of the beams, could also be different... And a hip roof is naturally different from a gable roof.
And then the quotes still vary, but the cheapest provider might only be available in about 6 months… In my view, it really depends on the individual case.
Bieber0815 schrieb:
In my opinion, you can’t really answer that (How high? Scaffolding? Including roofing plumber work? What scope?). You have certainly already considered comparability regarding roof tiles, number of penetrations (ventilation, satellite dish, windows). Structural aspects, like beam thickness, could also be different… And a hip roof is naturally different from a gable roof.
And then the quotes still vary, but the cheapest provider might only be available in about 6 months… I think it depends on the individual case. In my view, comparability is given. The price includes only the roof including plumbing work in both cases. The one penetration with a window on the main house was charged separately—however, an insignificant amount compared to the overall price.
Both required scaffolding, with the scaffolding on the main house naturally being higher, but it also has to be allocated to many other trades. The beam thickness on the garage is even better, or at least equivalent. So I don’t see anything that could justify a difference of 12,000.
I’d say that those who built under socialism will manage construction under capitalism even before breakfast. Anyone wondering why a hip roof costs significantly more than a gable roof might want to reconsider.
Preparing detailed specifications is an art in itself. Comparing bids based on price alone is quick, but the pitfalls and clauses are hidden in the text; the scope of work defines everything.
Checking if the spirit level is satisfied is only a small part of the inspection. Assessing requests for additional labor hours is more challenging, as is handling deviations in quantities. Having a professional involved is certainly not unnecessary.
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Preparing detailed specifications is an art in itself. Comparing bids based on price alone is quick, but the pitfalls and clauses are hidden in the text; the scope of work defines everything.
Checking if the spirit level is satisfied is only a small part of the inspection. Assessing requests for additional labor hours is more challenging, as is handling deviations in quantities. Having a professional involved is certainly not unnecessary.
https://www.instagram.com/11antgmxde/
https://www.linkedin.com/company/bauen-jetzt/
11ant schrieb:
If you wonder why a hip roof costs significantly more than a gable roof, but maybe not? So you think an additional 12,000 euros for the hip roof structure is reasonable? Isn’t that a bit excessive?
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