ᐅ Ytong Building Kit Experiences – Does Anyone Know the Supplier?
Created on: 19 Nov 2014 16:45
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barni
Hello, what experiences have you had? And what can you say about the prices—are they reasonable, or can you get it cheaper elsewhere?
Best regards
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Bauexperte24 Nov 2014 17:56Hello,
the list for 140 m² (1507 sq ft) does not change anything about my previous comment. Especially since this list refers to a 140 m² (1507 sq ft) house.
Regards, Bauexperte
Bauexperte
the list for 140 m² (1507 sq ft) does not change anything about my previous comment. Especially since this list refers to a 140 m² (1507 sq ft) house.
Regards, Bauexperte
Bauexperte
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Bauexperte25 Nov 2014 11:19Hello,
I simply cannot answer that for you because I don’t know what purchasing conditions are available to you!
However, I can tell you what a comparable shell house would cost here; so you at least have a reference point if the finished shell is delivered as a complete package.
Almost every provider offers a similar house because no one can reinvent the wheel. For us, a finished shell means: foundation slab, exterior walls including mineral external plaster, interior walls, window trade (7-chamber profiles plus enhanced burglar protection on the ground floor with up to 9 mushroom cams) with manual shutters, including the front door, carpenter and roofer trades as well as sheet metal work. The building envelope is therefore entirely completed. Such a shell house costs about EUR 138,000 (TEUR 138) in North Rhine-Westphalia for 148 sq m (1593 sq ft) of living space; this includes static engineering, soil survey, and earthworks (removal of topsoil and foundation) as well as the necessary securities and warranty. It is certainly more expensive in Bavaria; it also depends on the specific region in Bavaria where you want to build.
Looking now at the listings for both offer kits, they realistically refer to a basic shell without external plaster, without the required soil survey or foundation; I do not find any information on the foundation slab at all. This means you will need to add those costs on top of the base offer; and from an accounting perspective, also consider your own working hours. This puts the quoted price outside a reasonable cost saving for taking on this risk yourself. The price may be sweetened by a chimney flue, a staircase run, and a kitchen—all of which are usually available at a considerably lower cost than the missing trades.
I always have difficulties when potential builders assume they can just quickly build a house themselves. Besides the necessary knowledge and time investment, from my experience this is always a risk for any partnership; such projects can easily take two years. When I have these conversations, I recommend (only if experience is already present) either to purchase from a finished shell delivered as a complete package or to work with a trusted architect.
It is true that with a shell, most of the money can be saved; but it is also true that this part of the new build requires a lot of knowledge—so construction expertise during the process is essential. Whether this fits the idea of a bricks + site management package, I cannot judge, as I have too little contact with this type of house construction.
To fairly evaluate the offer, you have to see what it would cost you to organize the foundation and to buy the bricks and other materials. Alternatively, you can talk to an architect and commission them with the task of “considering extensive own labor” to obtain corresponding price quotes. Only when you have reliable comparisons—fully considered—can you, in my opinion, make a decision.
Regards, Bauexperte
barni schrieb:
Or rather, what do you think it should cost? Shell construction with own labor, chasing out channels, tiling, external systems, etc.
I simply cannot answer that for you because I don’t know what purchasing conditions are available to you!
However, I can tell you what a comparable shell house would cost here; so you at least have a reference point if the finished shell is delivered as a complete package.
Almost every provider offers a similar house because no one can reinvent the wheel. For us, a finished shell means: foundation slab, exterior walls including mineral external plaster, interior walls, window trade (7-chamber profiles plus enhanced burglar protection on the ground floor with up to 9 mushroom cams) with manual shutters, including the front door, carpenter and roofer trades as well as sheet metal work. The building envelope is therefore entirely completed. Such a shell house costs about EUR 138,000 (TEUR 138) in North Rhine-Westphalia for 148 sq m (1593 sq ft) of living space; this includes static engineering, soil survey, and earthworks (removal of topsoil and foundation) as well as the necessary securities and warranty. It is certainly more expensive in Bavaria; it also depends on the specific region in Bavaria where you want to build.
Looking now at the listings for both offer kits, they realistically refer to a basic shell without external plaster, without the required soil survey or foundation; I do not find any information on the foundation slab at all. This means you will need to add those costs on top of the base offer; and from an accounting perspective, also consider your own working hours. This puts the quoted price outside a reasonable cost saving for taking on this risk yourself. The price may be sweetened by a chimney flue, a staircase run, and a kitchen—all of which are usually available at a considerably lower cost than the missing trades.
I always have difficulties when potential builders assume they can just quickly build a house themselves. Besides the necessary knowledge and time investment, from my experience this is always a risk for any partnership; such projects can easily take two years. When I have these conversations, I recommend (only if experience is already present) either to purchase from a finished shell delivered as a complete package or to work with a trusted architect.
It is true that with a shell, most of the money can be saved; but it is also true that this part of the new build requires a lot of knowledge—so construction expertise during the process is essential. Whether this fits the idea of a bricks + site management package, I cannot judge, as I have too little contact with this type of house construction.
To fairly evaluate the offer, you have to see what it would cost you to organize the foundation and to buy the bricks and other materials. Alternatively, you can talk to an architect and commission them with the task of “considering extensive own labor” to obtain corresponding price quotes. Only when you have reliable comparisons—fully considered—can you, in my opinion, make a decision.
Regards, Bauexperte
I am a trained bricklayer, so that's not an issue.
I had the foundation slab and earthworks removed accordingly.
I can include them again. Here are the prices.
Foundation slab + earthworks: 12,500€
Interior and exterior plastering: 17,500€
That would bring the total to: 146,000€, including soil survey and so on. So it would be close to your price.
I had the foundation slab and earthworks removed accordingly.
I can include them again. Here are the prices.
Foundation slab + earthworks: 12,500€
Interior and exterior plastering: 17,500€
That would bring the total to: 146,000€, including soil survey and so on. So it would be close to your price.
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