ᐅ New Single-Family Home Construction in Southern Germany

Created on: 18 Nov 2020 00:43
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WilderSueden
Hello everyone,
after jumping straight into the basement discussion thread, I want to use this one as an introduction and idea-sharing thread. Some things might seem a bit chaotic at first, but that will surely clear up.

We are expecting our first child in February. Since two rooms are obviously too few for the long term, we need something larger. The housing market here in Konstanz is notoriously difficult, so we didn’t spend much time searching here. Thanks to Corona home office, we focused on areas a bit further away right from the start. Initially, we looked mostly at existing properties, but due to the poor condition of what’s on offer, we unexpectedly ended up deciding to build. We were actually lucky to get a plot in a new development area around Stockach-Pfullendorf. The site started being developed this week and will probably be buildable from summer onward.

Here are some key details:
- He/I am 33, work in the software industry, based in Konstanz, from a rural area
- She is 41, a teacher in the Hegau region, from a city that basically doesn’t exist
- One child on the way, no further children planned and unlikely due to her age
- Currently living in about 65sqm (700 sq ft) with 2.5 rooms in a lovely apartment building…
- Basically, we don’t want anything too fancy—no extensive smart home automation, no luxury mansion with marble and so on. Just something solid and nice. We are not building to fulfill a lifelong dream but to avoid renovating an old house worth half a million euros. Plain wallpaper texture and laminate flooring would be fine for us if the quality is good.
- Accordingly, we don’t mind using a “standard” floor plan from a prefabricated house builder or a typical model home.
- That said, since we are building, it should be energy efficient and we don’t want to use concepts that might soon be politically outdated or unsupported.
- Do-it-yourself work only to a limited extent, as we are neither professionals nor do we have relevant contacts. Also, the new house is a bit further away, so working on it in the evening is unlikely. A weekend of painting before moving in is no problem, and after moving in, doing the carport, terrace, and garden ourselves is also fine.
- The construction partner must be reliable.

Plot and financials:
- Plot roughly 700sqm (7,535 sq ft) at 98€ per sqm → 70,000€, fairly rectangular
- 120,000€ equity (with some reserve left)
- Financing and ownership entirely in my name (unmarried and no joint assets intended)
- Planned overall budget about 500,000€
- Target monthly payment 1,500€
- Accordingly, loan to be repaid in 25 years with that rate, with some extra repayments planned mid-term aiming for about 20 years total

Budget breakdown:
- Plot 70,000€
- Ancillary plot costs 5,000€
- Other construction-related fees 60,000€
- Basement 50,000€
- Kitchen 10,000€
- Driveway, carport, terrace as DIY 15,000€
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210,000€
Leaves about 290,000€ in the budget for the house itself, which is probably quite tight for what we have planned. The budget still needs to be adjusted with a buffer.

So far, our wishlist looks roughly like this:
- Not excessively large, more like 120–130sqm (1,290–1,400 sq ft)
- Efficient, modern house
- Photovoltaic system (possibly with battery storage)
- Underfloor heating with heat pump
- Home office for me on the ground floor (makes sense since I mostly work from home)
- Bedroom upstairs, one office for her that also serves as a guest room and reserve nursery
- Large open-plan kitchen/living area
- Basement
- Cistern
- Carport for two cars and one trailer

Our first contact about building was through an ad from the local Town & Country partner. The consultant was friendly, and the show house in Geisingen looked quite nice, but somehow it all felt a bit too conservative. Built according to the Energy Saving Ordinance 2016, standard gas heating. Sure, upgrades are possible, but I’m not sure if a heat pump makes sense under that regulation anymore. The fact that the show house had cracks in the plaster here and there isn’t exactly reassuring either. But the base price is lower. Current status: two meetings, visited the show house, haven’t requested the scope of services yet.

Then we looked a bit into prefab houses. Most offer KfW55 standard, which is closer to what we want and would be a good base for going to KfW40+ since a photovoltaic system is already planned (probably just with battery preparation though). Visited the park in Villingen-Schwenningen. Had a long chat with Schwabenhaus; the consultant seemed to want to downplay costs and was very keen to sell a ground-source heat pump with boreholes. The upgrade options for the promotional houses looked likely to increase costs significantly. Visited Heldhaus, liked it quite a lot but their cost outline overshoots the budget by roughly 100,000€.

Today we had an appointment with Schwörerhaus. The floor plan of one of their promotional houses fits pretty well. Basement plus KfW40+ seems somewhat challenging in combination. Otherwise, a generally good impression; the briefly reviewed scope of services doesn’t give the impression the house would be unpleasant to live in. Let’s see what the first offer will look like. I don’t get the feeling there’s much that could go wrong there.

Next week we have an appointment with Weberhaus. We found a floor plan we really like. The price is initially the highest, but their examples include KfW40+ standard and smart home automation upfront.

Our goal is to narrow down the number of companies we continue with to a maximum of two by Christmas and then decide on a construction partner early next year. In spring, the baby will take priority, not just house planning.

I’ve already posted some thoughts about the basement and possible basement substitutes. The insulation costs for the basement seem to fully consume the additional subsidies, so the photovoltaic battery would have to be paid out of pocket again. One idea on the drive back from the appointment was whether it makes sense to build the house initially to KfW55 standard without extra insulation. The difference in heating costs is relatively small. Then install just the conduit pipes for photovoltaics with battery preparation. A few years later, add a battery once prices drop. That would also likely bring the house closer to the planned budget than going for KfW40+.

These are my thoughts so far. Have I missed anything important?
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Ysop***
23 Dec 2020 12:39
3,000 € per square meter just for the house? Or all in? Just for the house seems to be the Lake Constance bonus?
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pagoni2020
23 Dec 2020 12:51
WilderSueden schrieb:

I definitely can’t imagine building without any storage space.

That wouldn’t make sense for anyone.
Still, there is quite a range in how people interpret this term and what they consider “necessary.”
Hausbau0815 schrieb:

If I build with a basement, I would always do that again, but I would make sure to use it sensibly.

SENSIBLY.......fair enough, but just as an example......
Hausbau0815 schrieb:

So, in the new build for my children, the basement is planned to include a large party room, a guest bedroom, and a hobby room, plus the utility/technical room (HAR). In addition, there are 2 storage rooms and 1 restroom. Garden tools and bicycles won’t go there since we built without a basement exit. They’ll have to go into the garden shed or garage.

.......I would personally ask myself whether I want or can afford to spend tens of thousands of euros on an extra “party room,” when I am building a nice, new house with attractive living spaces... and that’s just for the kids!!! Of course, it’s none of my business, but you have to be able to afford it. Do children need, besides their own bedroom and often their own bathroom, their own party room in the house? Hmm. Maybe there’s a bit of a hunter-gatherer mindset in Dad’s subconscious, just wanting maximum space for stuff, since the number of kids’ parties is probably limited or can be easily limited. Kids soon want their parents to keep their distance; party time tends to be in the warmer months. At a certain age, you don’t really want too many teenagers partying in the basement (think alcohol, restroom use, minor mischief, etc.). They’re welcome to have fun with others… but not in my house, for which I pay a lot every month and partly limit myself for half my life. I had that one or two times at our place and consider it a rather dreamy idea. If there actually were 20 parties over time, just the building costs per party would be around €2,000–4,000 (USD equivalent), which I’d rather spend on a foldable garden pavilion, fire pit, wooden benches… and less mortgage debt.
There are also 2 more storage rooms, and since bicycles and garden tools aren’t included, I wonder what is supposed to go in there that takes up so much expensive space?
Again, this is none of my business; I’m just saying that it’s interesting how people live in completely different worlds here, and I can’t even imagine it. I get goosebumps when I see rooms full of boxes and clutter.
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WilderSueden
23 Dec 2020 12:52
Ysop*** schrieb:

3,000 € per square meter just for the house? Or all-in? Just for the house seems to be the Lake Constance bonus?
House with a concrete slab foundation without kitchen but including flooring and painting work. Exterior landscaping, garage, everything extra.

In both offers, basically no luxury was requested. Underfloor heating with air-to-water heat pump (Weberhaus) or brine-to-water heat pump (local general contractor). Decent photovoltaic system. Otherwise essentially standard. For Weberhaus, this means scratch plaster on the walls and textured wallpaper on the ceilings, while the local contractor uses lime plaster inside.

I can only say exactly what is included once the construction specification is available. I guess I will get it tomorrow morning at around 4:30 am; the general contractor seems to be an early riser. Then we’ll also see whether it’s the notorious 30cm (12 inches) or more. Since we have already addressed the issues of "slight slope" and "frost-sensitive clay," 30cm (12 inches) would be insufficient for the contract. The same concern applies to the deep drilling that is listed as included, but how many meters (feet)?
Hausbau081523 Dec 2020 13:13
pagoni2020 schrieb:


.......I would personally ask myself whether I want or can afford to spend tens of thousands of euros on an extra "party room," especially when building a nice, new house with stylish living spaces..... and then also for the children!!! Of course, this is none of my business, but you have to be able to afford it. Whether children need their own party room in the house in addition to their own bedroom and often their own bathroom.... hmm. Maybe it’s just the father’s subconscious hunter-gatherer mindset coming through, wanting as much space as possible for stuff, since the frequency of children’s parties is probably limited and can be easily managed.

Clarification: I (along with my husband and two minor children) have my house and my basement, and it’s full. The other house with the still empty basement is a fully basemented semi-detached house that was originally built for my son and daughter and their families. Since my son has now moved to live with his partner (600 km (375 miles) away) due to the long construction period, only my daughter and her family will move in for now. The party basement was therefore not meant for children’s parties, but for larger gatherings of friends and family for both of them.
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pagoni2020
23 Dec 2020 13:21
Hausbau0815 schrieb:

Clarification: I (together with my husband and two minor children) own my house and its basement, which is fully utilized. The other house with the still vacant basement is a fully basement-equipped semi-detached house that was originally built for my son and daughter with their families. Since my son has now moved in with his partner due to the long construction period (600 km (373 miles) away), only my daughter and her family will move in for the time being. The party basement was therefore not intended for children’s parties but for larger gatherings with friends and family of both.

You don’t need to clarify anything; I understand it already.
Still, the type of person who tends to “collect and hoard” generally keeps extra rooms and things stored, while the other type—like me (a non-collector/low spender/discarder)—focuses on what I DON’T need. For example, I personally wouldn’t pay for a room intended only for adult parties. These always take place in the living areas where I feel most comfortable, or outside on the terrace. Party basements, whether for young or older people, seem outdated to me and no longer fit with today’s lifestyle. As I said, this is just my way of thinking and living.
Regarding the frequently mentioned financial budget limits here, I am often surprised by what is considered “normal” or what people are unwilling to give up despite tight budgets. I would rather invest every dollar into great living space. I don’t need rooms like that at all, I don’t build them, and we have children and grandchildren as well.
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netuser
23 Dec 2020 13:36
Hausbau0815 schrieb:

The party basement was therefore not intended for children's parties, but for larger gatherings of friends and family.

In my opinion, this no longer fits with today's times. Party basements were popular in the 1970s and 1980s (!?), and nowadays I don’t know anyone who still uses theirs. On the contrary, I know people who have looked back with some resentment after years or decades, feeling that they spent years "down in the basement" at friends’ houses and were never allowed into the nice living room.

We also live in a rental building with a party basement that has been used maybe five times in 20 years. We quickly repurposed it after moving in...

Anyway, to each their own. Although I appreciate having a basement, we decided against one when building our new home. Certainly not least for financial reasons. But honestly, we just weren’t willing (these days) to spend a lot of extra money on additional storage space for “stuff.”

@Hausbau0815
Since I’ve seen you post several full-screen screenshots before, I’d like to take this opportunity to recommend a handy little program called “Snipping Tool,” which you already have on your Windows 10 system and could use as an alternative for screenshots 😉