ᐅ New Single-Family Home Construction in Southern Germany
Created on: 18 Nov 2020 00:43
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WilderSueden
Hello everyone,
after jumping straight into the basement discussion thread, I want to use this one as an introduction and idea-sharing thread. Some things might seem a bit chaotic at first, but that will surely clear up.
We are expecting our first child in February. Since two rooms are obviously too few for the long term, we need something larger. The housing market here in Konstanz is notoriously difficult, so we didn’t spend much time searching here. Thanks to Corona home office, we focused on areas a bit further away right from the start. Initially, we looked mostly at existing properties, but due to the poor condition of what’s on offer, we unexpectedly ended up deciding to build. We were actually lucky to get a plot in a new development area around Stockach-Pfullendorf. The site started being developed this week and will probably be buildable from summer onward.
Here are some key details:
- He/I am 33, work in the software industry, based in Konstanz, from a rural area
- She is 41, a teacher in the Hegau region, from a city that basically doesn’t exist
- One child on the way, no further children planned and unlikely due to her age
- Currently living in about 65sqm (700 sq ft) with 2.5 rooms in a lovely apartment building…
- Basically, we don’t want anything too fancy—no extensive smart home automation, no luxury mansion with marble and so on. Just something solid and nice. We are not building to fulfill a lifelong dream but to avoid renovating an old house worth half a million euros. Plain wallpaper texture and laminate flooring would be fine for us if the quality is good.
- Accordingly, we don’t mind using a “standard” floor plan from a prefabricated house builder or a typical model home.
- That said, since we are building, it should be energy efficient and we don’t want to use concepts that might soon be politically outdated or unsupported.
- Do-it-yourself work only to a limited extent, as we are neither professionals nor do we have relevant contacts. Also, the new house is a bit further away, so working on it in the evening is unlikely. A weekend of painting before moving in is no problem, and after moving in, doing the carport, terrace, and garden ourselves is also fine.
- The construction partner must be reliable.
Plot and financials:
- Plot roughly 700sqm (7,535 sq ft) at 98€ per sqm → 70,000€, fairly rectangular
- 120,000€ equity (with some reserve left)
- Financing and ownership entirely in my name (unmarried and no joint assets intended)
- Planned overall budget about 500,000€
- Target monthly payment 1,500€
- Accordingly, loan to be repaid in 25 years with that rate, with some extra repayments planned mid-term aiming for about 20 years total
Budget breakdown:
- Plot 70,000€
- Ancillary plot costs 5,000€
- Other construction-related fees 60,000€
- Basement 50,000€
- Kitchen 10,000€
- Driveway, carport, terrace as DIY 15,000€
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210,000€
Leaves about 290,000€ in the budget for the house itself, which is probably quite tight for what we have planned. The budget still needs to be adjusted with a buffer.
So far, our wishlist looks roughly like this:
- Not excessively large, more like 120–130sqm (1,290–1,400 sq ft)
- Efficient, modern house
- Photovoltaic system (possibly with battery storage)
- Underfloor heating with heat pump
- Home office for me on the ground floor (makes sense since I mostly work from home)
- Bedroom upstairs, one office for her that also serves as a guest room and reserve nursery
- Large open-plan kitchen/living area
- Basement
- Cistern
- Carport for two cars and one trailer
Our first contact about building was through an ad from the local Town & Country partner. The consultant was friendly, and the show house in Geisingen looked quite nice, but somehow it all felt a bit too conservative. Built according to the Energy Saving Ordinance 2016, standard gas heating. Sure, upgrades are possible, but I’m not sure if a heat pump makes sense under that regulation anymore. The fact that the show house had cracks in the plaster here and there isn’t exactly reassuring either. But the base price is lower. Current status: two meetings, visited the show house, haven’t requested the scope of services yet.
Then we looked a bit into prefab houses. Most offer KfW55 standard, which is closer to what we want and would be a good base for going to KfW40+ since a photovoltaic system is already planned (probably just with battery preparation though). Visited the park in Villingen-Schwenningen. Had a long chat with Schwabenhaus; the consultant seemed to want to downplay costs and was very keen to sell a ground-source heat pump with boreholes. The upgrade options for the promotional houses looked likely to increase costs significantly. Visited Heldhaus, liked it quite a lot but their cost outline overshoots the budget by roughly 100,000€.
Today we had an appointment with Schwörerhaus. The floor plan of one of their promotional houses fits pretty well. Basement plus KfW40+ seems somewhat challenging in combination. Otherwise, a generally good impression; the briefly reviewed scope of services doesn’t give the impression the house would be unpleasant to live in. Let’s see what the first offer will look like. I don’t get the feeling there’s much that could go wrong there.
Next week we have an appointment with Weberhaus. We found a floor plan we really like. The price is initially the highest, but their examples include KfW40+ standard and smart home automation upfront.
Our goal is to narrow down the number of companies we continue with to a maximum of two by Christmas and then decide on a construction partner early next year. In spring, the baby will take priority, not just house planning.
I’ve already posted some thoughts about the basement and possible basement substitutes. The insulation costs for the basement seem to fully consume the additional subsidies, so the photovoltaic battery would have to be paid out of pocket again. One idea on the drive back from the appointment was whether it makes sense to build the house initially to KfW55 standard without extra insulation. The difference in heating costs is relatively small. Then install just the conduit pipes for photovoltaics with battery preparation. A few years later, add a battery once prices drop. That would also likely bring the house closer to the planned budget than going for KfW40+.
These are my thoughts so far. Have I missed anything important?
after jumping straight into the basement discussion thread, I want to use this one as an introduction and idea-sharing thread. Some things might seem a bit chaotic at first, but that will surely clear up.
We are expecting our first child in February. Since two rooms are obviously too few for the long term, we need something larger. The housing market here in Konstanz is notoriously difficult, so we didn’t spend much time searching here. Thanks to Corona home office, we focused on areas a bit further away right from the start. Initially, we looked mostly at existing properties, but due to the poor condition of what’s on offer, we unexpectedly ended up deciding to build. We were actually lucky to get a plot in a new development area around Stockach-Pfullendorf. The site started being developed this week and will probably be buildable from summer onward.
Here are some key details:
- He/I am 33, work in the software industry, based in Konstanz, from a rural area
- She is 41, a teacher in the Hegau region, from a city that basically doesn’t exist
- One child on the way, no further children planned and unlikely due to her age
- Currently living in about 65sqm (700 sq ft) with 2.5 rooms in a lovely apartment building…
- Basically, we don’t want anything too fancy—no extensive smart home automation, no luxury mansion with marble and so on. Just something solid and nice. We are not building to fulfill a lifelong dream but to avoid renovating an old house worth half a million euros. Plain wallpaper texture and laminate flooring would be fine for us if the quality is good.
- Accordingly, we don’t mind using a “standard” floor plan from a prefabricated house builder or a typical model home.
- That said, since we are building, it should be energy efficient and we don’t want to use concepts that might soon be politically outdated or unsupported.
- Do-it-yourself work only to a limited extent, as we are neither professionals nor do we have relevant contacts. Also, the new house is a bit further away, so working on it in the evening is unlikely. A weekend of painting before moving in is no problem, and after moving in, doing the carport, terrace, and garden ourselves is also fine.
- The construction partner must be reliable.
Plot and financials:
- Plot roughly 700sqm (7,535 sq ft) at 98€ per sqm → 70,000€, fairly rectangular
- 120,000€ equity (with some reserve left)
- Financing and ownership entirely in my name (unmarried and no joint assets intended)
- Planned overall budget about 500,000€
- Target monthly payment 1,500€
- Accordingly, loan to be repaid in 25 years with that rate, with some extra repayments planned mid-term aiming for about 20 years total
Budget breakdown:
- Plot 70,000€
- Ancillary plot costs 5,000€
- Other construction-related fees 60,000€
- Basement 50,000€
- Kitchen 10,000€
- Driveway, carport, terrace as DIY 15,000€
-----
210,000€
Leaves about 290,000€ in the budget for the house itself, which is probably quite tight for what we have planned. The budget still needs to be adjusted with a buffer.
So far, our wishlist looks roughly like this:
- Not excessively large, more like 120–130sqm (1,290–1,400 sq ft)
- Efficient, modern house
- Photovoltaic system (possibly with battery storage)
- Underfloor heating with heat pump
- Home office for me on the ground floor (makes sense since I mostly work from home)
- Bedroom upstairs, one office for her that also serves as a guest room and reserve nursery
- Large open-plan kitchen/living area
- Basement
- Cistern
- Carport for two cars and one trailer
Our first contact about building was through an ad from the local Town & Country partner. The consultant was friendly, and the show house in Geisingen looked quite nice, but somehow it all felt a bit too conservative. Built according to the Energy Saving Ordinance 2016, standard gas heating. Sure, upgrades are possible, but I’m not sure if a heat pump makes sense under that regulation anymore. The fact that the show house had cracks in the plaster here and there isn’t exactly reassuring either. But the base price is lower. Current status: two meetings, visited the show house, haven’t requested the scope of services yet.
Then we looked a bit into prefab houses. Most offer KfW55 standard, which is closer to what we want and would be a good base for going to KfW40+ since a photovoltaic system is already planned (probably just with battery preparation though). Visited the park in Villingen-Schwenningen. Had a long chat with Schwabenhaus; the consultant seemed to want to downplay costs and was very keen to sell a ground-source heat pump with boreholes. The upgrade options for the promotional houses looked likely to increase costs significantly. Visited Heldhaus, liked it quite a lot but their cost outline overshoots the budget by roughly 100,000€.
Today we had an appointment with Schwörerhaus. The floor plan of one of their promotional houses fits pretty well. Basement plus KfW40+ seems somewhat challenging in combination. Otherwise, a generally good impression; the briefly reviewed scope of services doesn’t give the impression the house would be unpleasant to live in. Let’s see what the first offer will look like. I don’t get the feeling there’s much that could go wrong there.
Next week we have an appointment with Weberhaus. We found a floor plan we really like. The price is initially the highest, but their examples include KfW40+ standard and smart home automation upfront.
Our goal is to narrow down the number of companies we continue with to a maximum of two by Christmas and then decide on a construction partner early next year. In spring, the baby will take priority, not just house planning.
I’ve already posted some thoughts about the basement and possible basement substitutes. The insulation costs for the basement seem to fully consume the additional subsidies, so the photovoltaic battery would have to be paid out of pocket again. One idea on the drive back from the appointment was whether it makes sense to build the house initially to KfW55 standard without extra insulation. The difference in heating costs is relatively small. Then install just the conduit pipes for photovoltaics with battery preparation. A few years later, add a battery once prices drop. That would also likely bring the house closer to the planned budget than going for KfW40+.
These are my thoughts so far. Have I missed anything important?
@WilderSueden
Which floor plans are you considering?
How detailed is your room program?
How specific are your requirements? There is a huge difference between Town & Country and Weberhaus.
Does the item “bathtub” maybe already include an extra cost for a freestanding bathtub, or the electrical system for KNX?
We had planned with a relatively small general contractor who came to our home for the first meeting to assess how they price the fittings. Hülsta or Ikea, generic brand or Rudolf Benz, hardware store or designer lamp, Kik or branded clothing.
I would take some time over the holidays to organize my thoughts. At some point, you almost drown in all the information and options. You lose orientation in the jungle of the construction specifications. What do you want? A detailed room program? Technical and equipment requirements, etc.
What do you outsource externally, for example, photovoltaic systems?
Which floor plans are you considering?
How detailed is your room program?
How specific are your requirements? There is a huge difference between Town & Country and Weberhaus.
Does the item “bathtub” maybe already include an extra cost for a freestanding bathtub, or the electrical system for KNX?
We had planned with a relatively small general contractor who came to our home for the first meeting to assess how they price the fittings. Hülsta or Ikea, generic brand or Rudolf Benz, hardware store or designer lamp, Kik or branded clothing.
I would take some time over the holidays to organize my thoughts. At some point, you almost drown in all the information and options. You lose orientation in the jungle of the construction specifications. What do you want? A detailed room program? Technical and equipment requirements, etc.
What do you outsource externally, for example, photovoltaic systems?
haydee schrieb:
maybe pay a realistic price right from the start – without a general contractor going bankrupt, without a subcontractor trying to act as a general contractor – but also without significant construction defects, and without having to cover extra costs for experts, lawyers, and othershaydee schrieb:
maybe just pay a realistic price right away – no general contractor (GC) bankruptcy, no contractor pretending to be a GC – but also no significant construction defects, and no extra expenses for experts, lawyers, and othersSo far, we’ve been fairly lucky—at least financially; we won’t even talk about the toll on our nerves. Others really push their limits during home construction. I know a family with two children who have been living in their converted garage for eight years because they’re building the house themselves. That would be worse for me.
It’s not like we didn’t research GC1 before signing the contract. We visited four houses (though smaller than ours), and their owners were satisfied except for a few minor issues. GC1 had to cover the lawyers and court costs from a previous legal dispute. With the prices mentioned here, we would have needed a loan of 1.5 million euros (about 1.6 million USD), which of course we wouldn’t have gotten. The alternative then would be not building at all. So at this point, I prefer our current situation. If I can complete this house with two times 210 m² (2260 sq ft) of living space plus 200 m² (2150 sq ft) of waterproofed basement as a turnkey project for around 600,000 € (about 640,000 USD), that’s fine by me. And as of today, that is achievable.
haydee wrote:
maybe just pay a realistic price from the start – without general contractor bankruptcy, without a carpenter trying to act as a general contractor – but also without significant construction defects, and without having to spend the difference on experts, lawyers, and so onnoThis wasn’t really a post, just copied and sent by accident.
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WilderSueden24 Dec 2020 12:44haydee schrieb:
How specific are your requirements? There’s a huge difference between Town & Country and Weberhaus. I know. With Town & Country, standard includes radiators; underfloor heating is extra. The standard heating system is gas instead of a heat pump, and so on. You can add all of these options, but of course that increases the price. Basically, a simpler setup is fine for us, but certain aspects of the building technology are important.
haydee schrieb:
Could the bathtub item already include a surcharge for a freestanding bathtub or the electrical installation for KNX? The bathtub is actually always dropped for us. I’ve lived in my apartment for 10 years and only used the bathtub about five times, otherwise always the shower. Considering the cost and space a bathtub takes, I’d rather go to a thermal spa frequently. There, everyone also has plenty of room in the pool.
Well, the money tends to go towards the walk-in shower instead. At first, I thought it was totally unnecessary, but the longer I think about it, the more appealing the idea becomes. Our smart home will be limited to electric roller shutters. Especially since I come from IT, I don’t want to install too much technology that gets outdated quickly and usually exposes your privacy online. Our overall setup is planned to be quite down-to-earth—not necessarily the cheapest, but definitely no luxury either. Simply something solid and functional. Basically, the Skoda of houses.
haydee schrieb:
What do you outsource externally, for example, photovoltaic systems? Ideally, we want to be involved as little as possible before moving in because we live quite far away. Quickly opening the door for a tradesperson isn’t an option when you have a 45-minute drive each way. That’s why we initially want all offers as complete packages where possible, and only after we’ve decided on a provider will we consider whether it makes sense to contract something like the photovoltaic system ourselves.
I contacted the local general contractor yesterday regarding limits on earthworks and deep drilling. This morning he apparently responded after waking up at around 5:30 a.m., and it seems everything is included without limitations, for example: “There are no additional costs for you—we carry out the drilling as required according to the calculation.” If that’s really the case, it would make the offer significantly cheaper than it currently looks and definitely competitive with Weberhaus—for the nicer and larger house with full flexibility. The building description is still missing, so I’ll keep all this tentative for now.
That might be the case. Some follow the principle of "what needs to be done, must be done," whether it's 20.5cm (8 inches) or 35cm (14 inches). That puts things into perspective. It was the same for us. Waste, insurance, gutters fully installed, not just 30cm (12 inches) above the ground, and so on.