ᐅ Architect’s Responsibilities Regarding KfW Funding Interest and Additional Matters
Created on: 13 Jul 2018 11:44
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Ruhrgebiet23
Hello everyone,
We purchased a house in February this year. It’s a semi-detached house from the 1950s, generally in good, old condition. It quickly became clear to us that we wanted and were able to invest a significant amount of money (up to around 300,000,000 Euros) to have everything done “properly.” We found an architect through a distant acquaintance who accompanied us for the inspection in December.
The purchase was completed in February, and we hoped for a quick submission of the building permit / planning permission application — we intended to renovate everything (new heating system, pipes, insulation, windows, etc.) and extend the back. We already had a draft design, which was roughly adopted and, of course, detailed further. The architect informed us at the second meeting that he had a new employee who would be responsible for our project. We were a bit surprised but accepted it. Some mistakes have been made by him (e.g., compass directions on the building permit incorrectly shown — my husband noticed this before submission; errors concerning the development boundaries, which, however, were never acknowledged), but that is not the main point here.
The original architect quickly made it clear that he was rather skeptical about insulation. As a result, we also assumed that achieving low-energy house standards or similar would not be possible. However, we stated early on that we were very interested in a photovoltaic system for hot water.
The building permit / planning permission was submitted three months ago, and since then we have been waiting — no one is responsible for the delay (at least not the architect). Meanwhile, we have been constantly trying to discuss KfW (government) funding programs with the architects. Both say that adapting the house to be age-appropriate is easier to implement than energy-efficient renovation. Because we persistently asked, they have now admitted that funding measures for energy-efficient renovation are also possible. Regarding further information, they consistently refer us to a financial advisor, who can only tell us that loan terms there are generally better than at our regular bank. We have now brought in an energy consultant to assess what really makes sense for our property. She believes that insulation according to the Energy Saving Ordinance is quite reasonable and not much more expensive. She met with the architects earlier this week.
We have already asked the architects several times to prepare a detailed cost breakdown — so far, we only have a rough estimate from 02/2018. But in order to decide what kind of funding might be suitable FOR US, we need comparable figures. Is that really too much to ask? What can we reasonably expect from the architect? He is contracted for all phases of the project.
We feel that the architects simply want to keep the planning effort as low as possible. We have to raise many issues multiple times before they are considered. For example, we asked for a drywall partition wall to the neighbor to be planned. At the last meeting, we were asked to finalize the kitchen plan as soon as possible. When we finally got the dimensions, we asked again if the drywall partition had been included. It had not. This has been repeated with many things so far, where we as laypeople have to remind them constantly. We certainly will not be able to think of everything... The new architect independently handles the exterior design of the entrance area — when we point out efflorescence in the basement, he replies that he can look into it during construction. We are laypeople, but their priorities don’t seem very logical to us...
Maybe I’m mistaken, so I would appreciate your assessments.
Best regards!
We purchased a house in February this year. It’s a semi-detached house from the 1950s, generally in good, old condition. It quickly became clear to us that we wanted and were able to invest a significant amount of money (up to around 300,000,000 Euros) to have everything done “properly.” We found an architect through a distant acquaintance who accompanied us for the inspection in December.
The purchase was completed in February, and we hoped for a quick submission of the building permit / planning permission application — we intended to renovate everything (new heating system, pipes, insulation, windows, etc.) and extend the back. We already had a draft design, which was roughly adopted and, of course, detailed further. The architect informed us at the second meeting that he had a new employee who would be responsible for our project. We were a bit surprised but accepted it. Some mistakes have been made by him (e.g., compass directions on the building permit incorrectly shown — my husband noticed this before submission; errors concerning the development boundaries, which, however, were never acknowledged), but that is not the main point here.
The original architect quickly made it clear that he was rather skeptical about insulation. As a result, we also assumed that achieving low-energy house standards or similar would not be possible. However, we stated early on that we were very interested in a photovoltaic system for hot water.
The building permit / planning permission was submitted three months ago, and since then we have been waiting — no one is responsible for the delay (at least not the architect). Meanwhile, we have been constantly trying to discuss KfW (government) funding programs with the architects. Both say that adapting the house to be age-appropriate is easier to implement than energy-efficient renovation. Because we persistently asked, they have now admitted that funding measures for energy-efficient renovation are also possible. Regarding further information, they consistently refer us to a financial advisor, who can only tell us that loan terms there are generally better than at our regular bank. We have now brought in an energy consultant to assess what really makes sense for our property. She believes that insulation according to the Energy Saving Ordinance is quite reasonable and not much more expensive. She met with the architects earlier this week.
We have already asked the architects several times to prepare a detailed cost breakdown — so far, we only have a rough estimate from 02/2018. But in order to decide what kind of funding might be suitable FOR US, we need comparable figures. Is that really too much to ask? What can we reasonably expect from the architect? He is contracted for all phases of the project.
We feel that the architects simply want to keep the planning effort as low as possible. We have to raise many issues multiple times before they are considered. For example, we asked for a drywall partition wall to the neighbor to be planned. At the last meeting, we were asked to finalize the kitchen plan as soon as possible. When we finally got the dimensions, we asked again if the drywall partition had been included. It had not. This has been repeated with many things so far, where we as laypeople have to remind them constantly. We certainly will not be able to think of everything... The new architect independently handles the exterior design of the entrance area — when we point out efflorescence in the basement, he replies that he can look into it during construction. We are laypeople, but their priorities don’t seem very logical to us...
Maybe I’m mistaken, so I would appreciate your assessments.
Best regards!
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Ruhrgebiet2329 Jan 2019 11:28We actually don’t want to part with him. I’m afraid I can’t expect much more from other architects either, and that would mean significantly higher costs again.
Just out of interest: Is it even legal for the HOAI to be mentioned in the contract but then not be billed according to it?
Just out of interest: Is it even legal for the HOAI to be mentioned in the contract but then not be billed according to it?
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Ruhrgebiet2329 Jan 2019 11:31And I also wonder how the evaluations of the offers are supposed to work in reality: If you ask the supplier to change part xy, they might say, given the current workload, that we can handle our tasks on our own... At the moment, we don't even receive offers for some trades.
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Caspar202029 Jan 2019 11:34Ruhrgebiet23 schrieb:
Just out of curiosity: Is it even legal to list the HOAI in the contract and then not bill according to it?You are in contact with a lawyer now, right? Legal advice is their responsibility.
Get someone local, like a building expert, and then move forward.
Ruhrgebiet23 schrieb:
I’m still not sure how to talk to the structural builder. I was thinking of saying that we were quite shocked by the excavation cost. He will probably argue that it was necessary. I would also like to bring up that the new situation should have been discussed, but he will probably feel cornered right away, and I won’t get anywhere...From what you’ve written, I just notice there seems to be hesitation to speak openly with those involved.
Actually, everyone on construction sites is usually pretty tough and can handle straightforward talk.
Ruhrgebiet23 schrieb:
And I also wonder how the evaluation of quotes is supposed to work in reality: If you ask the supplier to change part X, they say with current demand that we can do our own work... Right now, we’re not even getting quotes for some trades.PLEASE GET SOMEONE TO SUPPORT YOU AND GUIDE YOU THROUGH THIS.
It’s less about what’s already included and more about the things still to come.
I am currently building as well. That means I am not living in a different reality. I request a quote, and if after reviewing it something doesn’t suit me or I want it changed, I meet with the contractor in the evening to discuss everything or have anything I don’t understand explained to me.
What is the problem?
What is the problem?
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Ruhrgebiet2329 Jan 2019 11:39The problem is that we can already be grateful if we receive any quotes at all...
According to an online calculator, the volume of 24 tons of gravel (compacted) corresponds to about 13 m³ (460 ft³) of excavation. This should include the crane and the driveway, unless the gravel under the crane was not accounted for.
This means the excavation volume for the extension has increased from 34 to around 80 m³ (2,825 ft³), and I would at least ask the structural builder to explain this. As has already been mentioned elsewhere, according to the VOB [Vergabe- und Vertragsordnung für Bauleistungen / German Construction Contract Procedures], you have the right to request a recalculation if the quantity exceeds the original estimate by more than 10%. It is important that you insist on this, as the structural builder is not obliged to offer it voluntarily.
Regarding the architect: you do not have the right to be personally supervised by them. Similarly, you would not have the right to demand that the master craftsman, instead of a journeyman or apprentice, perform the work. The original architect is liable for any mistakes made by their employees, and that must suffice for you, however unsatisfactory that may be.
This means the excavation volume for the extension has increased from 34 to around 80 m³ (2,825 ft³), and I would at least ask the structural builder to explain this. As has already been mentioned elsewhere, according to the VOB [Vergabe- und Vertragsordnung für Bauleistungen / German Construction Contract Procedures], you have the right to request a recalculation if the quantity exceeds the original estimate by more than 10%. It is important that you insist on this, as the structural builder is not obliged to offer it voluntarily.
Regarding the architect: you do not have the right to be personally supervised by them. Similarly, you would not have the right to demand that the master craftsman, instead of a journeyman or apprentice, perform the work. The original architect is liable for any mistakes made by their employees, and that must suffice for you, however unsatisfactory that may be.
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