ᐅ Architect’s Responsibilities Regarding KfW Funding Interest and Additional Matters
Created on: 13 Jul 2018 11:44
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Ruhrgebiet23
Hello everyone,
We purchased a house in February this year. It’s a semi-detached house from the 1950s, generally in good, old condition. It quickly became clear to us that we wanted and were able to invest a significant amount of money (up to around 300,000,000 Euros) to have everything done “properly.” We found an architect through a distant acquaintance who accompanied us for the inspection in December.
The purchase was completed in February, and we hoped for a quick submission of the building permit / planning permission application — we intended to renovate everything (new heating system, pipes, insulation, windows, etc.) and extend the back. We already had a draft design, which was roughly adopted and, of course, detailed further. The architect informed us at the second meeting that he had a new employee who would be responsible for our project. We were a bit surprised but accepted it. Some mistakes have been made by him (e.g., compass directions on the building permit incorrectly shown — my husband noticed this before submission; errors concerning the development boundaries, which, however, were never acknowledged), but that is not the main point here.
The original architect quickly made it clear that he was rather skeptical about insulation. As a result, we also assumed that achieving low-energy house standards or similar would not be possible. However, we stated early on that we were very interested in a photovoltaic system for hot water.
The building permit / planning permission was submitted three months ago, and since then we have been waiting — no one is responsible for the delay (at least not the architect). Meanwhile, we have been constantly trying to discuss KfW (government) funding programs with the architects. Both say that adapting the house to be age-appropriate is easier to implement than energy-efficient renovation. Because we persistently asked, they have now admitted that funding measures for energy-efficient renovation are also possible. Regarding further information, they consistently refer us to a financial advisor, who can only tell us that loan terms there are generally better than at our regular bank. We have now brought in an energy consultant to assess what really makes sense for our property. She believes that insulation according to the Energy Saving Ordinance is quite reasonable and not much more expensive. She met with the architects earlier this week.
We have already asked the architects several times to prepare a detailed cost breakdown — so far, we only have a rough estimate from 02/2018. But in order to decide what kind of funding might be suitable FOR US, we need comparable figures. Is that really too much to ask? What can we reasonably expect from the architect? He is contracted for all phases of the project.
We feel that the architects simply want to keep the planning effort as low as possible. We have to raise many issues multiple times before they are considered. For example, we asked for a drywall partition wall to the neighbor to be planned. At the last meeting, we were asked to finalize the kitchen plan as soon as possible. When we finally got the dimensions, we asked again if the drywall partition had been included. It had not. This has been repeated with many things so far, where we as laypeople have to remind them constantly. We certainly will not be able to think of everything... The new architect independently handles the exterior design of the entrance area — when we point out efflorescence in the basement, he replies that he can look into it during construction. We are laypeople, but their priorities don’t seem very logical to us...
Maybe I’m mistaken, so I would appreciate your assessments.
Best regards!
We purchased a house in February this year. It’s a semi-detached house from the 1950s, generally in good, old condition. It quickly became clear to us that we wanted and were able to invest a significant amount of money (up to around 300,000,000 Euros) to have everything done “properly.” We found an architect through a distant acquaintance who accompanied us for the inspection in December.
The purchase was completed in February, and we hoped for a quick submission of the building permit / planning permission application — we intended to renovate everything (new heating system, pipes, insulation, windows, etc.) and extend the back. We already had a draft design, which was roughly adopted and, of course, detailed further. The architect informed us at the second meeting that he had a new employee who would be responsible for our project. We were a bit surprised but accepted it. Some mistakes have been made by him (e.g., compass directions on the building permit incorrectly shown — my husband noticed this before submission; errors concerning the development boundaries, which, however, were never acknowledged), but that is not the main point here.
The original architect quickly made it clear that he was rather skeptical about insulation. As a result, we also assumed that achieving low-energy house standards or similar would not be possible. However, we stated early on that we were very interested in a photovoltaic system for hot water.
The building permit / planning permission was submitted three months ago, and since then we have been waiting — no one is responsible for the delay (at least not the architect). Meanwhile, we have been constantly trying to discuss KfW (government) funding programs with the architects. Both say that adapting the house to be age-appropriate is easier to implement than energy-efficient renovation. Because we persistently asked, they have now admitted that funding measures for energy-efficient renovation are also possible. Regarding further information, they consistently refer us to a financial advisor, who can only tell us that loan terms there are generally better than at our regular bank. We have now brought in an energy consultant to assess what really makes sense for our property. She believes that insulation according to the Energy Saving Ordinance is quite reasonable and not much more expensive. She met with the architects earlier this week.
We have already asked the architects several times to prepare a detailed cost breakdown — so far, we only have a rough estimate from 02/2018. But in order to decide what kind of funding might be suitable FOR US, we need comparable figures. Is that really too much to ask? What can we reasonably expect from the architect? He is contracted for all phases of the project.
We feel that the architects simply want to keep the planning effort as low as possible. We have to raise many issues multiple times before they are considered. For example, we asked for a drywall partition wall to the neighbor to be planned. At the last meeting, we were asked to finalize the kitchen plan as soon as possible. When we finally got the dimensions, we asked again if the drywall partition had been included. It had not. This has been repeated with many things so far, where we as laypeople have to remind them constantly. We certainly will not be able to think of everything... The new architect independently handles the exterior design of the entrance area — when we point out efflorescence in the basement, he replies that he can look into it during construction. We are laypeople, but their priorities don’t seem very logical to us...
Maybe I’m mistaken, so I would appreciate your assessments.
Best regards!
R
Ruhrgebiet2329 Jan 2019 10:32Caspar2020 schrieb:
10,000 (10k) happens; if it stays at 10,000 (10k) in the end, you are among the few lucky ones.
However, as explained in post #113, this is understandable and not a matter of preference or anything like that, or a failure to perform.Yes, understood. We also factored in several 10,000 euros (10k EUR) as a buffer. But still, we should have been informed earlier.
Ruhrgebiet23 schrieb:
Thanks!
Can we really demand that the original architect takes over our project again? What should we do if he says he doesn’t have the time?You already signed a contract. Who is listed as the responsible architect? It should be specified there! So insist on contract fulfillment.
Hopefully, the contract includes not only the service phases but also the person responsible for execution.
If he stalls, stop everything and give him a written deadline of 14 days to fulfill his contractual duties. Otherwise, terminate the agreement.
R
Ruhrgebiet2329 Jan 2019 10:45On the fee proposal we accepted, the letterhead shows Mr. alter Architekt, Dipl-Ing, Architect.
Additionally:
- "my fee proposal for the execution of the architectural services"
- "I would be pleased to carry out the work for you and kindly request written confirmation of the commission."
- Signed by Mr. alter Architekt
Is this sufficient?
Additionally:
- "my fee proposal for the execution of the architectural services"
- "I would be pleased to carry out the work for you and kindly request written confirmation of the commission."
- Signed by Mr. alter Architekt
Is this sufficient?
R
Ruhrgebiet2329 Jan 2019 10:52I’m still not quite sure how to approach the structural contractor.
I was going to say that we were quite surprised by the amount charged for the excavation. He will probably argue that it was necessary. I would also like to bring up that the new situation should have been discussed beforehand, but then he would likely feel cornered and I wouldn’t get anywhere...
I was going to say that we were quite surprised by the amount charged for the excavation. He will probably argue that it was necessary. I would also like to bring up that the new situation should have been discussed beforehand, but then he would likely feel cornered and I wouldn’t get anywhere...
Ruhrgebiet23 schrieb:
The fee proposal we accepted has the following in the letterhead: Mr. Old Architect, Graduate Engineer, Architect.
Additionally:
- "my fee proposal for the execution of architectural services"
- "I would be pleased to carry out the work for you and kindly ask for a written confirmation of the order."
- Signed by Mr. Old Architect
Is that sufficient? Difficult to say. It might be enough. But you can probably guess the response in the conversation. You’ll need arguments to counter it.
Zaba12 schrieb:
You have a contract, right? Who is listed as the responsible architect? Their name should be specified there! So insist on contract fulfillment.
Hopefully, the contract includes not only the service phases but also the person responsible for execution.
If they cause trouble, stop all work and give them a written notice with a 14-day deadline to provide services according to the contract. Otherwise, terminate the relationship. But keep in mind: they did not bill according to HOAI. If you decide to part ways, they can bill for this later, especially if you are already in the service phase covering construction supervision. This means the termination invoice could be higher than the original fee estimate.
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