ᐅ Architect’s Responsibilities Regarding KfW Funding Interest and Additional Matters
Created on: 13 Jul 2018 11:44
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Ruhrgebiet23
Hello everyone,
We purchased a house in February this year. It’s a semi-detached house from the 1950s, generally in good, old condition. It quickly became clear to us that we wanted and were able to invest a significant amount of money (up to around 300,000,000 Euros) to have everything done “properly.” We found an architect through a distant acquaintance who accompanied us for the inspection in December.
The purchase was completed in February, and we hoped for a quick submission of the building permit / planning permission application — we intended to renovate everything (new heating system, pipes, insulation, windows, etc.) and extend the back. We already had a draft design, which was roughly adopted and, of course, detailed further. The architect informed us at the second meeting that he had a new employee who would be responsible for our project. We were a bit surprised but accepted it. Some mistakes have been made by him (e.g., compass directions on the building permit incorrectly shown — my husband noticed this before submission; errors concerning the development boundaries, which, however, were never acknowledged), but that is not the main point here.
The original architect quickly made it clear that he was rather skeptical about insulation. As a result, we also assumed that achieving low-energy house standards or similar would not be possible. However, we stated early on that we were very interested in a photovoltaic system for hot water.
The building permit / planning permission was submitted three months ago, and since then we have been waiting — no one is responsible for the delay (at least not the architect). Meanwhile, we have been constantly trying to discuss KfW (government) funding programs with the architects. Both say that adapting the house to be age-appropriate is easier to implement than energy-efficient renovation. Because we persistently asked, they have now admitted that funding measures for energy-efficient renovation are also possible. Regarding further information, they consistently refer us to a financial advisor, who can only tell us that loan terms there are generally better than at our regular bank. We have now brought in an energy consultant to assess what really makes sense for our property. She believes that insulation according to the Energy Saving Ordinance is quite reasonable and not much more expensive. She met with the architects earlier this week.
We have already asked the architects several times to prepare a detailed cost breakdown — so far, we only have a rough estimate from 02/2018. But in order to decide what kind of funding might be suitable FOR US, we need comparable figures. Is that really too much to ask? What can we reasonably expect from the architect? He is contracted for all phases of the project.
We feel that the architects simply want to keep the planning effort as low as possible. We have to raise many issues multiple times before they are considered. For example, we asked for a drywall partition wall to the neighbor to be planned. At the last meeting, we were asked to finalize the kitchen plan as soon as possible. When we finally got the dimensions, we asked again if the drywall partition had been included. It had not. This has been repeated with many things so far, where we as laypeople have to remind them constantly. We certainly will not be able to think of everything... The new architect independently handles the exterior design of the entrance area — when we point out efflorescence in the basement, he replies that he can look into it during construction. We are laypeople, but their priorities don’t seem very logical to us...
Maybe I’m mistaken, so I would appreciate your assessments.
Best regards!
We purchased a house in February this year. It’s a semi-detached house from the 1950s, generally in good, old condition. It quickly became clear to us that we wanted and were able to invest a significant amount of money (up to around 300,000,000 Euros) to have everything done “properly.” We found an architect through a distant acquaintance who accompanied us for the inspection in December.
The purchase was completed in February, and we hoped for a quick submission of the building permit / planning permission application — we intended to renovate everything (new heating system, pipes, insulation, windows, etc.) and extend the back. We already had a draft design, which was roughly adopted and, of course, detailed further. The architect informed us at the second meeting that he had a new employee who would be responsible for our project. We were a bit surprised but accepted it. Some mistakes have been made by him (e.g., compass directions on the building permit incorrectly shown — my husband noticed this before submission; errors concerning the development boundaries, which, however, were never acknowledged), but that is not the main point here.
The original architect quickly made it clear that he was rather skeptical about insulation. As a result, we also assumed that achieving low-energy house standards or similar would not be possible. However, we stated early on that we were very interested in a photovoltaic system for hot water.
The building permit / planning permission was submitted three months ago, and since then we have been waiting — no one is responsible for the delay (at least not the architect). Meanwhile, we have been constantly trying to discuss KfW (government) funding programs with the architects. Both say that adapting the house to be age-appropriate is easier to implement than energy-efficient renovation. Because we persistently asked, they have now admitted that funding measures for energy-efficient renovation are also possible. Regarding further information, they consistently refer us to a financial advisor, who can only tell us that loan terms there are generally better than at our regular bank. We have now brought in an energy consultant to assess what really makes sense for our property. She believes that insulation according to the Energy Saving Ordinance is quite reasonable and not much more expensive. She met with the architects earlier this week.
We have already asked the architects several times to prepare a detailed cost breakdown — so far, we only have a rough estimate from 02/2018. But in order to decide what kind of funding might be suitable FOR US, we need comparable figures. Is that really too much to ask? What can we reasonably expect from the architect? He is contracted for all phases of the project.
We feel that the architects simply want to keep the planning effort as low as possible. We have to raise many issues multiple times before they are considered. For example, we asked for a drywall partition wall to the neighbor to be planned. At the last meeting, we were asked to finalize the kitchen plan as soon as possible. When we finally got the dimensions, we asked again if the drywall partition had been included. It had not. This has been repeated with many things so far, where we as laypeople have to remind them constantly. We certainly will not be able to think of everything... The new architect independently handles the exterior design of the entrance area — when we point out efflorescence in the basement, he replies that he can look into it during construction. We are laypeople, but their priorities don’t seem very logical to us...
Maybe I’m mistaken, so I would appreciate your assessments.
Best regards!
C
Caspar202029 Jan 2019 10:21Ruhrgebiet23 schrieb:
I just spoke with a lawyer through my legal protection insurance. He identified three issues with the shell construction:It would be interesting to know what the lawyer advised you as the next steps for all three issues.
A proper crane setup area is of course standard practice. That’s probably why no one thought to notify you about it.
From my non-expert perspective, it’s difficult to argue against that, since the excavation mainly revolved around the house.
Interestingly, according to your list, the lawyer doesn’t consider it a problem that the excavation was done with containers instead of trucks.
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Ruhrgebiet2329 Jan 2019 10:23He advised me to speak politely with the structural builder. If he does not respond, request written explanations.
R
Ruhrgebiet2329 Jan 2019 10:24Caspar2020 schrieb:
For all three issues. A proper crane setup area is obviously a given. That’s why no one thought to inform you about it. With an extra cost of 10,000 euros? Hmm, I think some information is definitely justified there.
Ruhrgebiet23 schrieb:
He advised me to speak politely with the structural builder. If he doesn’t respond, request written explanations. Wow, great advice. So the money’s gone. You know from our previous discussions what you need to do now.
1. No supervision by the graduate
2. Educate yourself on the subject
3. No execution before screening the quotes
4. Give the old guy a serious talking-to
5. Update the cost estimate. I bet the update won’t adjust the old items to the current prices in the construction industry. I’d bet on it.
6. If nothing helps, pull the emergency brake
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Ruhrgebiet2329 Jan 2019 10:30Thank you!
Can we really expect the original architect to take over our project again? What should we do if he says he doesn’t have the time?
Everything else: Understood.
We have an appointment with the original architect tomorrow afternoon. However, he already indicated over the phone that there might be more excavation required. Oh no. When asked about the costs, he mentioned that they would indeed be quite high. But he said this rather neutrally. We will discuss everything else in person tomorrow.
Can we really expect the original architect to take over our project again? What should we do if he says he doesn’t have the time?
Everything else: Understood.
We have an appointment with the original architect tomorrow afternoon. However, he already indicated over the phone that there might be more excavation required. Oh no. When asked about the costs, he mentioned that they would indeed be quite high. But he said this rather neutrally. We will discuss everything else in person tomorrow.
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Caspar202029 Jan 2019 10:31Ruhrgebiet23 schrieb:
He advised me to talk politely with the shell builder. If he doesn’t respond, request written explanations.Well then. Go straight to the person.
Ruhrgebiet23 schrieb:
For 10,000 Euro (about $11,000) additional costs? Hmm, I think you should be informed about that.10,000 has happened; if in the end it stays at 10,000 you’re one of the few lucky ones.
However, this is explained after post #113, and it’s not a matter of taste or anything like that, nor a service that wasn’t delivered.
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