ᐅ Architect’s Responsibilities Regarding KfW Funding Interest and Additional Matters

Created on: 13 Jul 2018 11:44
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Ruhrgebiet23
Hello everyone,

We purchased a house in February this year. It’s a semi-detached house from the 1950s, generally in good, old condition. It quickly became clear to us that we wanted and were able to invest a significant amount of money (up to around 300,000,000 Euros) to have everything done “properly.” We found an architect through a distant acquaintance who accompanied us for the inspection in December.

The purchase was completed in February, and we hoped for a quick submission of the building permit / planning permission application — we intended to renovate everything (new heating system, pipes, insulation, windows, etc.) and extend the back. We already had a draft design, which was roughly adopted and, of course, detailed further. The architect informed us at the second meeting that he had a new employee who would be responsible for our project. We were a bit surprised but accepted it. Some mistakes have been made by him (e.g., compass directions on the building permit incorrectly shown — my husband noticed this before submission; errors concerning the development boundaries, which, however, were never acknowledged), but that is not the main point here.

The original architect quickly made it clear that he was rather skeptical about insulation. As a result, we also assumed that achieving low-energy house standards or similar would not be possible. However, we stated early on that we were very interested in a photovoltaic system for hot water.

The building permit / planning permission was submitted three months ago, and since then we have been waiting — no one is responsible for the delay (at least not the architect). Meanwhile, we have been constantly trying to discuss KfW (government) funding programs with the architects. Both say that adapting the house to be age-appropriate is easier to implement than energy-efficient renovation. Because we persistently asked, they have now admitted that funding measures for energy-efficient renovation are also possible. Regarding further information, they consistently refer us to a financial advisor, who can only tell us that loan terms there are generally better than at our regular bank. We have now brought in an energy consultant to assess what really makes sense for our property. She believes that insulation according to the Energy Saving Ordinance is quite reasonable and not much more expensive. She met with the architects earlier this week.

We have already asked the architects several times to prepare a detailed cost breakdown — so far, we only have a rough estimate from 02/2018. But in order to decide what kind of funding might be suitable FOR US, we need comparable figures. Is that really too much to ask? What can we reasonably expect from the architect? He is contracted for all phases of the project.

We feel that the architects simply want to keep the planning effort as low as possible. We have to raise many issues multiple times before they are considered. For example, we asked for a drywall partition wall to the neighbor to be planned. At the last meeting, we were asked to finalize the kitchen plan as soon as possible. When we finally got the dimensions, we asked again if the drywall partition had been included. It had not. This has been repeated with many things so far, where we as laypeople have to remind them constantly. We certainly will not be able to think of everything... The new architect independently handles the exterior design of the entrance area — when we point out efflorescence in the basement, he replies that he can look into it during construction. We are laypeople, but their priorities don’t seem very logical to us...

Maybe I’m mistaken, so I would appreciate your assessments.

Best regards!
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Ruhrgebiet23
26 Jan 2019 14:05
Despite repeated requests (since the estimate is quite old), we have not received anything further.

No cost estimate for the tender, only the bill of quantities so that we can also obtain quotes.

The young architect also mentioned on Wednesday that some bills of quantities are difficult to prepare, so he had a company create an offer and then used that to develop the bill of quantities.
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Domski
26 Jan 2019 17:04
Ruhrgebiet23 schrieb:

The young architect also mentioned on Wednesday that some bills of quantities are difficult to prepare, so he had a company create a quote and then based the bill of quantities on that.

Wow. I would definitely discuss the fees... Because you can do that yourself and don’t need to pay an architect for it.
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Domski
26 Jan 2019 17:10
MayrCh schrieb:
Did you receive nothing else?
No cost estimate before the design planning/building permit submission?
No quote for the tender?

Just for the extension and the prefabricated garage items, you should add at least 50% more.

I agree. I can’t assess some of the items, but those I can are estimated at the very low end of the scale. Was this done by the experienced architect or the junior one?
And if this is from early 2018, you should add a blanket 10% just because it’s one year old. Sorry, but I would arrange a crisis meeting directly with the manager.

For example, painter 5000€ (about $5,500) is probably only for the extension, but even so, that’s really low... just the materials alone for that area probably cost around 500€ (about $550).
Electrical 12,000€ (about $13,200) could make sense for a basic setup. Heating 5000€ (about $5,500) is likely for a simple gas boiler, right?
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Ruhrgebiet23
26 Jan 2019 17:27
Domski schrieb:
Wow. I would seriously consider negotiating the fee... You can do that yourself and don’t have to pay an architect.

Well, okay, but do I really have grounds to renegotiate?

An amount of 20,000 Euro plus VAT was agreed upon.
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Ruhrgebiet23
26 Jan 2019 17:31
Domski schrieb:
I agree. I can’t assess some of the items, but those I feel confident about are estimated at the very low end of the scale. Was this done by the experienced architect or his junior?
And if this is from early 2018, add a flat 10% increase just for being one year old. Sorry, but I would arrange a crisis meeting with the boss immediately.

For example, 5,000€ for painting is probably just for the extension, but even then it seems very low... The materials alone should be around 500€ for that area.
12,000€ for electrical work might be accurate if it’s just a basic installation. 5,000€ for heating is a simple gas boiler, right?

The cost calculation was done by the experienced architect (!). From the very beginning, we clearly stated that we wanted a few specific features and not everything standard. We even sent him our requirements in advance by email.

Yes, gas heating. The old gas boiler was from 1992 and we have already removed it along with the radiators.
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MayrCh
26 Jan 2019 17:41
Ruhrgebiet23 schrieb:
Well, alright, but do I really have a basis to renegotiate there?

She commissioned all service phases (according to the parallel thread)? According to HOAI? Then I would strongly recommend taking a closer look there.
Blacking out prices in offers is !not! the same as preparing a detailed specification with a scope of services.