ᐅ Cat droppings or wildlife scat? Warning: image of animal droppings!
Created on: 10 Jul 2018 13:03
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andimann
Hello everyone,
(Hope I don’t get banned right away for posting a bunch of crap…)
Some animal is leaving a pile of droppings on our lawn almost every night, strangely always in almost the same spot (plus or minus 2 m (6.5 ft)). At first, I suspected the neighbor’s cat, but the pile seems too large for a cat, right? Also, don’t cats usually go into garden beds rather than right in the middle of the lawn?
Question: Can anyone tell me if this could still be cat droppings? If so, I guess a conversation with the neighbors is due.
I’m getting tired of cleaning it up every morning, and even more worried that my kids might step in it while playing or that my son might try to taste it. My nephew once caught worms that way, which was quite unpleasant. That really shouldn’t happen.
And if it’s something else: what could it be and, above all, how do I get rid of it?
Barbed wire, spring-loaded traps, anti-aircraft guns, nuclear bomb?
Best regards,
Andreas
(Hope I don’t get banned right away for posting a bunch of crap…)
Some animal is leaving a pile of droppings on our lawn almost every night, strangely always in almost the same spot (plus or minus 2 m (6.5 ft)). At first, I suspected the neighbor’s cat, but the pile seems too large for a cat, right? Also, don’t cats usually go into garden beds rather than right in the middle of the lawn?
Question: Can anyone tell me if this could still be cat droppings? If so, I guess a conversation with the neighbors is due.
I’m getting tired of cleaning it up every morning, and even more worried that my kids might step in it while playing or that my son might try to taste it. My nephew once caught worms that way, which was quite unpleasant. That really shouldn’t happen.
And if it’s something else: what could it be and, above all, how do I get rid of it?
Barbed wire, spring-loaded traps, anti-aircraft guns, nuclear bomb?
Best regards,
Andreas
Knallkörper schrieb:
You wrote above that self-defense does not have to be proportional. That is not true. See excessive self-defense. Also, not all self-defense is considered justifiable defense.Hello Knallkörper
Excessive self-defense occurs when the limits of justifiable defense are exceeded. For example: Someone attacks you. You successfully defend yourself. The attacker is unconscious on the ground. You then kick them again forcefully. This is excessive self-defense.
Proportionality is not always required, except in cases of extreme imbalance. See the "Kirschbaum case."
Steven
Steven schrieb:
No, the "principle of proportionality" does not apply here.
Even in the self-defense courses I occasionally teach, the opinion often arises that self-defense must be proportional. No, it does not have to be.
Steven Has proportionality been abolished in case law? Law was not exactly my main subject at university, and that was 20 years ago. But I would be surprised. To my knowledge, it always applies – in every area of law. What was it again: the measure must be appropriate, proportional, and… I forgot!
kaho674 schrieb:
Has proportionality been abolished in case law? : the measure must be appropriate, proportional and ... – forgotten! Hello,
and the mildest of several equivalent options.
I wrote that proportionality only needs to be considered when there is an extremely serious conflict. See the cherry tree case.
I admit that German self-defense law is extremely liberal.
A brief example regarding equivalence: You are at home and a burglary is taking place. You have pepper spray, a shovel handle, and a gun. Are these equivalent? No. There would be nothing against using the firearm immediately.
Why?
Pepper spray may be effective, but does not have to be.
A shovel handle can be effective as well, but if the attacker is, for example, a martial artist, you take a great risk.
The gun is the most suitable to immediately stop the unlawful attack.
Steven
Steven schrieb:
Hello kaho
It is quite common for cat owners to greatly overestimate the number of caught (or rather, one should say, tortured to death) mice, and shamelessly underestimate the birds. The truth is, cats significantly contribute to the decline of wild birds. It’s the same with hares.
StevenI still believe that domestic cats catch fewer birds than feral cats. Over four years, we had exactly two birds caught, both of which were freed and managed to escape. Mice, on the other hand, appeared two to three times per week. This is probably because we installed cat deterrents on the trees and so on.The many cats are definitely a problem for the birds. But I think the destruction of natural habitats by agriculture is even worse. It is reportedly severe as well in southern countries, where bird trappers use huge nets to catch migratory birds in large numbers.
kaho674 schrieb:
The large number of cats definitely poses a problem for the birds. But I believe the destruction of habitats caused by agriculture is even more serious. The bird trappers in southern countries are also extreme, using huge nets to catch migratory birds in large numbers.Hello kahoIt is true that urbanization causes major problems for many wild animals, even leading to the extinction of entire populations. Cats contribute to this as well.
Bird trapping in the south is also an issue, but it is not nearly as severe as it is often portrayed by animal welfare organizations. Trapping birds is prohibited. The widespread poaching is not so much a legal issue as an enforcement issue.
When it comes to bird trapping, we are talking about a few million birds (sorry, that sounds harsh, but I am trying to remain objective), whereas free-ranging domestic cats kill hundreds of millions of birds annually in Germany alone.
Steven
Steven schrieb:
Hello,
and the mildest among several equivalent options
I already mentioned that proportionality only needs to be considered when there is an extremely severe conflict. See the cherry tree case. Now I'm confused. I’m not familiar with the right of self-defense at all. But this certainly won’t include cat excrement disposal. I think the intensity of the conflict is less decisive.
It will probably be evaluated which interest weighs more: the life of the cat versus tolerating or cleaning up the waste. I assume everyone considers life to be more valuable, even if it’s just one individual. But I really don’t know.