ᐅ Architect / Structural Engineer Services, Execution Plan, Scope
Created on: 10 Jul 2018 10:36
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Kalle88
Hello everyone,
thank you very much for having me. I am proud to be part of this forum. After deciding to build a semi-detached house (without a basement), I hope to benefit from your experience and knowledge.
My first question concerns the planning process. I know a civil engineer who wants to create my plans together with an architect. Each would focus on their respective tasks. However, this might have been a bit premature. I have since looked into it more closely. The service phases of HOAI include nine stages: 1. Basic evaluation, 2. Preliminary planning, 3. Design planning, 4. Approval planning, 5. Execution planning, 6. Preparation of contract award, 7. Participation in contract award, 8. Construction supervision, 9. Project completion.
The services are provided up to phase 4, that is, the approval planning stage. This means the complete building application is submitted to the local building authority. That sounds great, but I have now reached the point where I feel the real work only starts here. How is the mason supposed to know how to work? No one on the construction site knows what to do. There is no information about the thickness of the foundation slab, or the floor, screed, etc. Do you agree with me? Or am I mistaken? It could also be that I show the workers the respective plans, and based on my plans, they provide the required work. For example: I show the carpenter and roofer my plan. They then create their own plan on how to build the roof structure. Or the electrician—they get my drawing and develop a solution based on my plans. The same goes for the heating engineer, plumber, screed installer, and so on.
Can you tell me which execution plan(s) should at least still be provided by the architect or civil engineer?
Thank you very much for your help!
Best regards,
Kalle
thank you very much for having me. I am proud to be part of this forum. After deciding to build a semi-detached house (without a basement), I hope to benefit from your experience and knowledge.
My first question concerns the planning process. I know a civil engineer who wants to create my plans together with an architect. Each would focus on their respective tasks. However, this might have been a bit premature. I have since looked into it more closely. The service phases of HOAI include nine stages: 1. Basic evaluation, 2. Preliminary planning, 3. Design planning, 4. Approval planning, 5. Execution planning, 6. Preparation of contract award, 7. Participation in contract award, 8. Construction supervision, 9. Project completion.
The services are provided up to phase 4, that is, the approval planning stage. This means the complete building application is submitted to the local building authority. That sounds great, but I have now reached the point where I feel the real work only starts here. How is the mason supposed to know how to work? No one on the construction site knows what to do. There is no information about the thickness of the foundation slab, or the floor, screed, etc. Do you agree with me? Or am I mistaken? It could also be that I show the workers the respective plans, and based on my plans, they provide the required work. For example: I show the carpenter and roofer my plan. They then create their own plan on how to build the roof structure. Or the electrician—they get my drawing and develop a solution based on my plans. The same goes for the heating engineer, plumber, screed installer, and so on.
Can you tell me which execution plan(s) should at least still be provided by the architect or civil engineer?
Thank you very much for your help!
Best regards,
Kalle
A detailed execution plan is simply too expensive. It would require at least €20,000. I would prefer the more affordable option. I want to have the building permit / planning permission application and all necessary documents processed through the architect and structural engineer. Additionally, I would order a few detailed plans. What would you recommend? Which detailed plans should not be omitted?
Best regards
Best regards
Whether you pay the 20,000 to the architect/building engineer now or later to the construction companies doesn’t really matter.
The money doesn’t just disappear. It might be a bit cheaper, but you often read the most optimistic stories here in the forum when there is no architect’s plan.
Everyone does as they wish; building a house doesn’t cost anything, so you can just hope that it will somehow work out in the end.
The money doesn’t just disappear. It might be a bit cheaper, but you often read the most optimistic stories here in the forum when there is no architect’s plan.
Everyone does as they wish; building a house doesn’t cost anything, so you can just hope that it will somehow work out in the end.
Kalle88 schrieb:
A detailed execution plan is just too expensive. It would cost at least €20,000. I would prefer the cheaper option. I want to have the architect and structural engineer handle the building permit / planning permission and all necessary documents. In addition, I would order a few detailed plans. What would you recommend? Which detailed planning should not be omitted?
Regards You can only do this if the contracted companies (from civil engineering to interior finishing) have known each other for years, work well together, have a solid reputation, and are based within a few kilometers (miles) from each other.
We proceed just as you plan. However, my construction coordinator has completed numerous investment projects with the companies I hire and is currently building a house for his daughter with them as well. He either went to school with all the trade owners or is related to them.
With trades that don’t know each other, I wouldn’t even attempt such an approach. Everyone just ends up blaming the other trade for problems.
Lumpi_LE schrieb:
Whether you pay the $20,000 to the architect/structural engineer now or later to the construction companies doesn’t really matter. The money doesn’t just disappear. It might be a bit cheaper, but you often read some of the most optimistic things here on the forum when there are no access points. Everyone to their own preference; a house doesn’t cost that much, so you can hope that it all somehow works out in the end. An execution plan like that is not exactly a masterpiece! You just need an “economical” and easy-to-understand construction method that all trades can manage. What do you think an architect does when calculating the parapet height? They subtract the ceiling, the roller shutter box, and the window plus 4–6cm (1.5–2.5 inches), and voilà, there’s your parapet height—no rocket science. Door and window opening directions, power outlets, switches, etc.—all pretty straightforward.
Lumpi_LE schrieb:
Whether you pay the 20,000 now to the architect/construction engineer or later to the contractors doesn’t really matter. The money doesn’t just disappear. It might be a bit cheaper, but here in the forum you also often read the most optimistic stories when there is no architectural planning involved. Everyone can do as they please, building a house doesn’t cost anything anyway, so you can just hope that it somehow works out in the end.It’s clear that it’s better to have everything done by the architect. That way, everything comes from one source. But in terms of costs, it’s just not feasible for me, especially since I know a lot of tradespeople. I just have to make it work somehow.
Zaba12 schrieb:
A detailed execution plan isn’t exactly a masterpiece! You just need an “economical” and easy-to-understand construction method that all trades can manage. What do you think an architect does when calculating the parapet height??? They subtract the ceiling thickness, the roller shutter box, and the window + 4–6cm (1.5–2.5 inches), and voilà, you have your parapet height — it’s not rocket science. The direction of door and window openings, outlets, switches, etc., is all straightforward.What kind of drawings did you have the architect prepare? I mean, which detailed plans besides the documents required for the building permit / planning permission?
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