ᐅ Architect / Structural Engineer Services, Execution Plan, Scope
Created on: 10 Jul 2018 10:36
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Kalle88
Hello everyone,
thank you very much for having me. I am proud to be part of this forum. After deciding to build a semi-detached house (without a basement), I hope to benefit from your experience and knowledge.
My first question concerns the planning process. I know a civil engineer who wants to create my plans together with an architect. Each would focus on their respective tasks. However, this might have been a bit premature. I have since looked into it more closely. The service phases of HOAI include nine stages: 1. Basic evaluation, 2. Preliminary planning, 3. Design planning, 4. Approval planning, 5. Execution planning, 6. Preparation of contract award, 7. Participation in contract award, 8. Construction supervision, 9. Project completion.
The services are provided up to phase 4, that is, the approval planning stage. This means the complete building application is submitted to the local building authority. That sounds great, but I have now reached the point where I feel the real work only starts here. How is the mason supposed to know how to work? No one on the construction site knows what to do. There is no information about the thickness of the foundation slab, or the floor, screed, etc. Do you agree with me? Or am I mistaken? It could also be that I show the workers the respective plans, and based on my plans, they provide the required work. For example: I show the carpenter and roofer my plan. They then create their own plan on how to build the roof structure. Or the electrician—they get my drawing and develop a solution based on my plans. The same goes for the heating engineer, plumber, screed installer, and so on.
Can you tell me which execution plan(s) should at least still be provided by the architect or civil engineer?
Thank you very much for your help!
Best regards,
Kalle
thank you very much for having me. I am proud to be part of this forum. After deciding to build a semi-detached house (without a basement), I hope to benefit from your experience and knowledge.
My first question concerns the planning process. I know a civil engineer who wants to create my plans together with an architect. Each would focus on their respective tasks. However, this might have been a bit premature. I have since looked into it more closely. The service phases of HOAI include nine stages: 1. Basic evaluation, 2. Preliminary planning, 3. Design planning, 4. Approval planning, 5. Execution planning, 6. Preparation of contract award, 7. Participation in contract award, 8. Construction supervision, 9. Project completion.
The services are provided up to phase 4, that is, the approval planning stage. This means the complete building application is submitted to the local building authority. That sounds great, but I have now reached the point where I feel the real work only starts here. How is the mason supposed to know how to work? No one on the construction site knows what to do. There is no information about the thickness of the foundation slab, or the floor, screed, etc. Do you agree with me? Or am I mistaken? It could also be that I show the workers the respective plans, and based on my plans, they provide the required work. For example: I show the carpenter and roofer my plan. They then create their own plan on how to build the roof structure. Or the electrician—they get my drawing and develop a solution based on my plans. The same goes for the heating engineer, plumber, screed installer, and so on.
Can you tell me which execution plan(s) should at least still be provided by the architect or civil engineer?
Thank you very much for your help!
Best regards,
Kalle
We are working with an architect for design phases 1-9. Our structural engineer has taken care of the structural calculations and energy efficiency regulations. The architect collaborated with the structural engineer to prepare the detailed construction drawings.
If you know craftsmen, you can still assign the contracts through the architect, unless you prefer to hire them unofficially.
Our neighbor did exactly what you’re planning, and now he has to deal with all the issues caused by the tradespeople, who he actually knew quite well. He is on the construction site every day, has to inspect, supervise, and coordinate everything alone. You shouldn’t underestimate that, and many things went wrong for him, like installing a cistern without the correct slope angle, so the water doesn’t flow properly into it at all. I wouldn’t recommend doing it without construction supervision.
As mentioned above, we are building with our architect and so far have had zero stress. We visit the site about once a week, and everything is running smoothly. The architect is on site daily and sends us photos. It’s essential to include phase 9 because of the extended warranty.
If you know craftsmen, you can still assign the contracts through the architect, unless you prefer to hire them unofficially.
Our neighbor did exactly what you’re planning, and now he has to deal with all the issues caused by the tradespeople, who he actually knew quite well. He is on the construction site every day, has to inspect, supervise, and coordinate everything alone. You shouldn’t underestimate that, and many things went wrong for him, like installing a cistern without the correct slope angle, so the water doesn’t flow properly into it at all. I wouldn’t recommend doing it without construction supervision.
As mentioned above, we are building with our architect and so far have had zero stress. We visit the site about once a week, and everything is running smoothly. The architect is on site daily and sends us photos. It’s essential to include phase 9 because of the extended warranty.
Bookstar schrieb:
This is the nicest but also the most expensive solution. It would have cost us 50,000 more back then, and fortunately, we decided against it. But it does come with more stress. It’s not the cheapest option, that’s true, but doing it entirely without an expert (who also charge fees) is very daring. Our architectural services don’t cost us 50,000€ (euros).
A turnkey house, a modified catalog home that the builder has already constructed 10 times -> you can save on architectural planning, as the architectural plans for the structural engineering are already available somewhere and only need slight adjustments.
A custom-designed house, not a standard model, with many trades from different companies -> problems are bound to arise without architectural planning, and architectural plans are definitely needed in the structural engineering phase. Otherwise, are they supposed to place the formwork and reinforcement based on instinct?
A custom-designed house, not a standard model, with many trades from different companies -> problems are bound to arise without architectural planning, and architectural plans are definitely needed in the structural engineering phase. Otherwise, are they supposed to place the formwork and reinforcement based on instinct?
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