ᐅ Hillside house 180 m² with a 60 m² apartment and two double garages
Created on: 25 Apr 2019 13:48
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Hi everyone
I have been following passively for a while, and now it’s my turn. I would appreciate your opinions.
Development Plan / Restrictions
Plot size: 769m² (8268 sq ft), 21/22m (69/72 ft) wide (street side), 35m (115 ft) deep
Slope: South-facing slope, total incline approx. 2-7m (7-23 ft) according to Bavarian Atlas
Floor area ratio (FAR): 0.35
Site occupancy index: 0.8
Building window, building line and boundary
Edge development
Number of parking spaces: 2 per residential unit
Number of storeys: 2.5
Roof type: gable roof SD, WD, PD
Architectural style
Orientation
Maximum heights / limits: Wall height 6.5m (21 ft), roof height 9.5m (31 ft)
Additional requirements: see images
Client Requirements
Architectural style, roof type, building type: gable roof
Basement, storeys: basement, ground floor, finished attic; house 12.5x10m (41x33 ft); garage 6x8m (20x26 ft)
Number of people, ages: 1 male 28, (+1 female +2 children); basement apartment for 1-2 people
Space requirements on ground and upper floors:
Upper floor: 2 children’s bedrooms; 1 master bedroom; bathroom; possibly dressing room and/or office
Ground floor: kitchen, living room, dining room, bathroom with shower, main entrance, utility room convertible into bedroom (accessible ground floor)
Basement: apartment with living kitchen, bedroom, bathroom; utility/heating room, possibly additional room for storage or apartment
Office use: family use or home office? both
Guest overnight stays per year: 1-15
Open or closed architecture
Conservative or modern style: modern
Open kitchen, kitchen island: both
Number of dining seats: 4-8
Fireplace: yes
Music / stereo wall
Balcony, roof terrace: no
Garage, carport: yes
Vegetable garden, greenhouse
Other wishes / special features / daily routine, including reasons why some options should or should not be included
House Design
Who created the plan:
- Designer from a construction company
- Architect
- Do-it-yourself
What do you particularly like? Why?
What do you dislike? Why?
The bedroom on the upper floor is about 14m² (150 sq ft), which is too small for my taste. The double-storey garage might cause problems when parking in and out because the garage is 8m long (26 ft) and is to be placed in the middle. This leaves only 21m (69 ft) - 8m (26 ft) = 13m (43 ft); divided by 2 gives about 6.5m (21 ft) minus 1m (3 ft) clearance to the neighbor, so around 5.5m (18 ft) to maneuver. So maybe the garage is not such a good idea after all?
Price estimate according to architect/designer:
Personal budget limit for the house including fittings: land 100,000€ (approx. $110,000), house max 400,000€ (approx. $440,000)
Preferred heating system: air-to-water heat pump, ventilation system if needed
If you have to give up something, which details/extensions:
- Can you do without: knee wall (can’t do without)
- Cannot give up: knee wall at least 1.20m (4 ft), preferably higher; open to all suggestions/changes
Why was the design made this way?
This is not the first design I have drawn; I have had a few others but discarded them because I did not like them. The house measures 12.5x10m (41x33 ft), the garage 6x8m (20x26 ft). The exterior walls are 50cm (20 inches) thick, interior walls 36cm (14 inches), doors are 1m (39 inches) wide, the staircase a bit over 1m (39 inches) (I have calculated generously).
I think a double-storey garage is possible since the street slope is already about 2m (7 ft) along it (only worried about enough space when driving in and out). To the west, the plot also rises by another 4m (13 ft).
The basement apartment is there because otherwise the house would be too big, but I don’t see another way to create a reasonable ground floor given the slope without at least 70% of the basement being underground. (I’m not keen on a garage in the basement because of potential thermal bridges, plus this is the south side, so I prefer a separate building. I also already have a tenant in mind.)
Regarding the ground floor: Having a room available that is wide enough to be used as a bedroom in case climbing stairs becomes difficult later on. Until then, it can be equipped with a washing machine, extended wardrobe, or similar, like a utility room. I grew up with an open plan living-dining-kitchen area and really like it. Also, a bathroom with WC and shower.
Upper floor: I am unhappy with the room sizes. 14m² (150 sq ft) for children’s bedrooms is too small, but I don’t know how to arrange them otherwise. As for the rest of the upper floor, it’s still undecided whether one room will have a dressing area or an office. I would especially welcome suggestions for changes to the upper floor that do not negatively affect the ground or basement floors. I imagine two children’s rooms about 20m² (215 sq ft) each, one master bedroom with dressing room 15-25m² (160-270 sq ft), and one bathroom about 15m² (160 sq ft).
I hope I haven’t gone on too long and have provided enough information...
This is plot number 2. The size of 769m² (8268 sq ft) is correct, 805m² (8665 sq ft) is no longer accurate.
I have been following passively for a while, and now it’s my turn. I would appreciate your opinions.
Development Plan / Restrictions
Plot size: 769m² (8268 sq ft), 21/22m (69/72 ft) wide (street side), 35m (115 ft) deep
Slope: South-facing slope, total incline approx. 2-7m (7-23 ft) according to Bavarian Atlas
Floor area ratio (FAR): 0.35
Site occupancy index: 0.8
Building window, building line and boundary
Edge development
Number of parking spaces: 2 per residential unit
Number of storeys: 2.5
Roof type: gable roof SD, WD, PD
Architectural style
Orientation
Maximum heights / limits: Wall height 6.5m (21 ft), roof height 9.5m (31 ft)
Additional requirements: see images
Client Requirements
Architectural style, roof type, building type: gable roof
Basement, storeys: basement, ground floor, finished attic; house 12.5x10m (41x33 ft); garage 6x8m (20x26 ft)
Number of people, ages: 1 male 28, (+1 female +2 children); basement apartment for 1-2 people
Space requirements on ground and upper floors:
Upper floor: 2 children’s bedrooms; 1 master bedroom; bathroom; possibly dressing room and/or office
Ground floor: kitchen, living room, dining room, bathroom with shower, main entrance, utility room convertible into bedroom (accessible ground floor)
Basement: apartment with living kitchen, bedroom, bathroom; utility/heating room, possibly additional room for storage or apartment
Office use: family use or home office? both
Guest overnight stays per year: 1-15
Open or closed architecture
Conservative or modern style: modern
Open kitchen, kitchen island: both
Number of dining seats: 4-8
Fireplace: yes
Music / stereo wall
Balcony, roof terrace: no
Garage, carport: yes
Vegetable garden, greenhouse
Other wishes / special features / daily routine, including reasons why some options should or should not be included
House Design
Who created the plan:
- Designer from a construction company
- Architect
- Do-it-yourself
What do you particularly like? Why?
What do you dislike? Why?
The bedroom on the upper floor is about 14m² (150 sq ft), which is too small for my taste. The double-storey garage might cause problems when parking in and out because the garage is 8m long (26 ft) and is to be placed in the middle. This leaves only 21m (69 ft) - 8m (26 ft) = 13m (43 ft); divided by 2 gives about 6.5m (21 ft) minus 1m (3 ft) clearance to the neighbor, so around 5.5m (18 ft) to maneuver. So maybe the garage is not such a good idea after all?
Price estimate according to architect/designer:
Personal budget limit for the house including fittings: land 100,000€ (approx. $110,000), house max 400,000€ (approx. $440,000)
Preferred heating system: air-to-water heat pump, ventilation system if needed
If you have to give up something, which details/extensions:
- Can you do without: knee wall (can’t do without)
- Cannot give up: knee wall at least 1.20m (4 ft), preferably higher; open to all suggestions/changes
Why was the design made this way?
This is not the first design I have drawn; I have had a few others but discarded them because I did not like them. The house measures 12.5x10m (41x33 ft), the garage 6x8m (20x26 ft). The exterior walls are 50cm (20 inches) thick, interior walls 36cm (14 inches), doors are 1m (39 inches) wide, the staircase a bit over 1m (39 inches) (I have calculated generously).
I think a double-storey garage is possible since the street slope is already about 2m (7 ft) along it (only worried about enough space when driving in and out). To the west, the plot also rises by another 4m (13 ft).
The basement apartment is there because otherwise the house would be too big, but I don’t see another way to create a reasonable ground floor given the slope without at least 70% of the basement being underground. (I’m not keen on a garage in the basement because of potential thermal bridges, plus this is the south side, so I prefer a separate building. I also already have a tenant in mind.)
Regarding the ground floor: Having a room available that is wide enough to be used as a bedroom in case climbing stairs becomes difficult later on. Until then, it can be equipped with a washing machine, extended wardrobe, or similar, like a utility room. I grew up with an open plan living-dining-kitchen area and really like it. Also, a bathroom with WC and shower.
Upper floor: I am unhappy with the room sizes. 14m² (150 sq ft) for children’s bedrooms is too small, but I don’t know how to arrange them otherwise. As for the rest of the upper floor, it’s still undecided whether one room will have a dressing area or an office. I would especially welcome suggestions for changes to the upper floor that do not negatively affect the ground or basement floors. I imagine two children’s rooms about 20m² (215 sq ft) each, one master bedroom with dressing room 15-25m² (160-270 sq ft), and one bathroom about 15m² (160 sq ft).
I hope I haven’t gone on too long and have provided enough information...
This is plot number 2. The size of 769m² (8268 sq ft) is correct, 805m² (8665 sq ft) is no longer accurate.
Apart from the fact that I don’t think the plot is allowed to have driveways on two sides, and that the structural engineering of the stacked garages poses a bit of a challenge, and apart from the fact that the house ends up being much more expensive than planned (due to earthworks and retaining structures), and the facade doesn’t look very appealing (I won’t even comment on the floor plans, but that’s a matter of personal taste)... plus the interior is not exactly modern and, roughly calculated, the built-up area exceeds the permitted floor area ratio, I don’t understand why someone who is single would want to build such a huge house with a granny flat.
A granny flat is usually a concession for a family, possibly for a parent or to help finance the main part of the house. But why plan for something that doesn’t fit the current situation? Surely you want to be prepared for a future family, but why include a granny flat? The granny flat is barely suitable for a single person, yet there’s a double garage...
You can perfectly well use the basement for yourself and avoid building a three-story house. The plot will thank you.
A granny flat is usually a concession for a family, possibly for a parent or to help finance the main part of the house. But why plan for something that doesn’t fit the current situation? Surely you want to be prepared for a future family, but why include a granny flat? The granny flat is barely suitable for a single person, yet there’s a double garage...
You can perfectly well use the basement for yourself and avoid building a three-story house. The plot will thank you.
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Drawing a 17cm (7 inch) wall in a 1:50 scale with a pen doesn't make it any easier.Eingangskarte schrieb:
The exterior walls are 50cm (20 inches) thick and the interior ones are 36cm (14 inches),??? – my question, including the position of the pipes within the walls, remains unanswered.And I still stand by this: planning a house without involving the wife is like trying to do the math without the landlord.
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Matthew0330 Apr 2019 10:31I can only agree with the previous commenters: skip the granny flat and plan a great basement tailored to your needs, with the option/preparation to add a second floor later, or build it now without load-bearing interior walls to allow for that expansion, or something similar.
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