Good morning,
I just received a steep price increase from my energy provider enercity, raising the cost to 15 cents per kWh starting in August. That’s really tough, and I think prices will rise even further.
It’s a strange feeling to be thrown back so quickly into an energy supply situation where you have to figure out how to keep the house warm. It seems to me that the government has given up on the goal of enabling everyone to adequately cover at least their basic needs.
Goodbye central supply structures; now the winner is whoever has solar panels and a heat pump in their new build, while the others are left out.
Welcome back, coal heating 😕
Frustrated regards,
I just received a steep price increase from my energy provider enercity, raising the cost to 15 cents per kWh starting in August. That’s really tough, and I think prices will rise even further.
It’s a strange feeling to be thrown back so quickly into an energy supply situation where you have to figure out how to keep the house warm. It seems to me that the government has given up on the goal of enabling everyone to adequately cover at least their basic needs.
Goodbye central supply structures; now the winner is whoever has solar panels and a heat pump in their new build, while the others are left out.
Welcome back, coal heating 😕
Frustrated regards,
M
motorradsilke17 Jul 2022 21:00i_b_n_a_n schrieb:
@Deliverer explained it in detail. You see 6 cents per kWh as robbery, but it’s actually a gift! As he wrote, your investment in photovoltaic systems is currently reimbursed by about 70% over the system’s lifetime. By the way, after the feed-in tariff ends, the photovoltaic system doesn’t just disappear—it usually still has more than 90% efficiency. (The government simply gives you those 6 cents for free! For example, if you buy a private car, do you get a small gift for every kilometer driven?)
But you have to be willing to understand that..
I know several private individuals who have systems around 20 years old, and they still run like clockwork. Only one inverter broke down once, and replacing it cost about 2,000.Why is it a gift when I provide energy that the utility company can then sell at many times the price? I provide something that someone else can use. That’s quite different from the kilometers driven with a car.
OWLer schrieb:
I’ll be briefly unpopular here.
1. As far as the "rubble women" go, assuming they ever existed outside of post-war propaganda, there aren’t many of their kind left living in their own homes nowadays.
2. I actually don’t find this unfair. Owning a house has always required being able to afford it. When that’s no longer the case, you have to sell. And this is still the exact reason houses are being sold today.
-> Building wealth for retirement. When I’m old, I obviously have to use up that wealth.
Once grandma has sold and moved into a senior living community, then we can discuss the next thread about renovations or floor plans. The natural cycle of life. With the difference that the new buyer will surely heat without gas very soon.Optional alternative version from me: The children buy the house from the elderly lady at a fair price, demolish the old building, build an energy-efficient multi-family home including a small senior- and disability-friendly apartment for grandma on the large plot, and everyone lives happily ever after. 😉motorradsilke schrieb:
Why is it considered a gift when I provide energy that the energy company can then sell for multiple times the price? I supply something that someone else can use. That’s quite different from the miles driven by a car. You’re blocked if all you see are the profits of others. YOUR PROFIT is the 6.x cents. Everything else is (for now) irrelevant.
By the way, you are not "providing" it. You are selling it! Selling... ever heard of that? It’s not the same as giving it away! A state-guaranteed price. That’s a nice setup. Wake up. I would really appreciate it if you could understand this. We can explain it very factually here without any polemics, gladly with numbers/examples.
P.S. If you think energy companies can easily make that much money, go ahead. We live in a free country.
No more bad jokes directed at you, no polemics, etc. from now on if you wish. Seriously.
M
motorradsilke17 Jul 2022 21:08Deliverer schrieb:
You found the feed-in tariff. It is currently being increased from 6.3 to around 8. And yes, this feed-in tariff covers the system cost. One kWp on the roof generates 1000 kWh/year. That equals €80 per year, which over 20 years guarantees €1600. This is how much a kWp (excluding VAT) on the roof should cost if you want 100% funding. That is not a problem at the moment.
Every kWh you use yourself saves you about 25 cents. That is your return on investment for the upfront costs.
What else in life is so heavily subsidized and even earns you money in the end?
If you are more interested in photovoltaic systems, there is a weekly thread here where many knowledgeable people like to share detailed information.Well, the 1000 kWh is only under favorable conditions that not everyone has. Otherwise, maybe 800. You have to add VAT, which you have to pay. And currently, €1600 is not enough; calculate between €2000 and even €2500. And then you have to finance the system, so you pay interest. Now recalculate again.
motorradsilke schrieb:
Well, the 1000 kWh only applies under favorable conditions that not everyone has. Otherwise, maybe 800. You have to add VAT, since you have to pay it. And currently, 1600 euros are not enough, rather expect 2000 to even 2500. And then you have to finance the system, so you pay interest. Now calculate again. There is no VAT, you get it refunded. I get the impression you have heard or read a lot but haven’t fully understood this (admittedly) complex field. (P.S. I haven’t understood everything 100% either)
Please just set up a scenario for yourself, your house, and a hypothetical photovoltaic system. We’ll be happy to calculate it as honestly and transparently as possible for you.
M
motorradsilke17 Jul 2022 21:14i_b_n_a_n schrieb:
You are blocked if you only look at other people’s profits. YOUR PROFIT is the 6.x cents. Everything else doesn’t really matter (for now). To my knowledge, profit is revenue minus expenses. Take a 10 kWp system, for example. It currently costs around 20,000 euros. Financed over 20 years, that might be about 1,200 to 1,500 euros per year. Then there are maintenance costs and so on.
The feed-in tariff for 8,000 kWh is around 420 euros. Where is the profit in that? 7