ᐅ Experience with centralized exhaust ventilation systems without heat recovery

Created on: 13 Jan 2018 19:26
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zizzi
Hello everyone,

Does anyone have experience with a central exhaust ventilation system without heat recovery in a new build, KfW 70 standard, with underfloor heating and no radiators? (This is important because you cannot place wall or window vents above radiators to immediately mix the cold air with warm air.)

Is it recommended? If yes, what should you pay attention to? Do you notice air drafts coming from wall or window vents during the cold seasons?

I am attaching a photo from the page I read about this. The system is explained there in more detail.

Thanks in advance
Schematic drawing of a building ventilation system with ducts and fans inside the house.
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Baumfachmann
14 Jan 2018 09:07
One-sided information???? I requested 8 quotes for the same system with installation, and the total prices ranged from 4000 to 10,000 euros.
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Lumpi_LE
14 Jan 2018 09:18
Uninformed question marks question marks question marks

For a well-functioning mechanical ventilation with heat recovery and enthalpy heat exchanger as described, the device alone costs around 4000 euros. A proper mechanical ventilation system also includes an earth heat exchanger, which doesn’t just appear in the garden for free.

Of course, it’s always possible to go cheaper, but then it’s no longer about quality, durability, or comfort. You can also build a house for 1500 €/m2 (approximately 140 $/ft2) if that makes you happy, which is completely fine. Calling a house that costs 2000 €/m2 (approximately 185 $/ft2) overpriced scam is just as nonsensical as your statement.
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Nordlys
14 Jan 2018 09:24
Mycraft schrieb:
The disadvantages were already mentioned to you. This is not a ventilation system with heat recovery but an exhaust-only system. Those are two completely different things.

Also, this has nothing to do with Mercedes—at $12,000 you’d probably only get something equivalent to a Golf installed. What you’re looking at is more like a moped.

Not recommended, no.

But certainly better than nothing at all.

Many people even have holes drilled in their window frames and are happy with that.

Exactly. Zizzi, we have the combined system, a Helios exhaust fan, humidity-controlled, meaning it activates with humid air, otherwise it just exhausts quietly. The motor is installed in the bathroom. Fresh air enters through RegelAir window vents. Cost unknown, it came standard with the house. Works perfectly. Good indoor air quality, bathroom dries quickly. Forget about energy-saving regulations and KfW subsidies—simple, rugged, reliable, that’s how it should be. Karsten
tomtom7914 Jan 2018 10:16
Nordlys schrieb:
Exactly. Zizzi, we have the combination of a Helios exhaust fan motor, humidity-controlled, meaning it activates when the air is humid, otherwise it just ventilates quietly. The motor is located in the bathroom. Fresh air supply is through RegelAir window vents. Costs unknown, it was standard in the house. Works perfectly. Good indoor air quality, bathroom dries quickly. Doesn’t care about energy saving regulations or KfW standards, simple, rugged, reliable—that’s how it should be. Karsten

But that is decentralized; he means a centralized system for all rooms.
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Nordlys
14 Jan 2018 11:40
Why? That’s the main point. A Helios ventilation system for the whole house in the bathroom, many window vents for fresh air supply. Since zizzi also builds on one level, he could design it the same way and have fresh air for a small cost.
Mycraft14 Jan 2018 12:10
Central systems have central and controlled supply/exhaust air.

In your case, Nordlys is an exhaust air system with decentralized and probably uncontrolled air inflow through the windows. So it is neither one nor the other. However, it essentially has the characteristics of a decentralized system without heat recovery.

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