Certainly, this discussion has probably come up once or twice before – but now, in 2015, how does the technology really stand?
I want to exclude soundproofing from this discussion, since we are building in a very quiet residential area, as are most such areas. The special case of building a house near a flight path, on a main road, or similar, I don’t want to discuss here, especially since a double or triple-layered wall also provides some sound insulation (actually quite good).
I have always had concerns about mold, but on the other hand, where would the moisture come from? In the case of a pipe leak and significant moisture damage, sources suggest that solid/concrete houses have worse problems than timber structures. The procedure here is to remove drywall, dispose of insulation in the affected area, allow it to dry for a week (using controlled mechanical ventilation with professional equipment), then install new insulation, close it up, and it’s done.
Normally, without a pipe break, moisture shouldn’t actually penetrate, right? Just like with solid construction, only the first few millimeters of the wall serve as a moisture buffer. It is well known that there is no “breathing wall.”
Regarding summer heat protection, I have experienced that even shaded solid model homes can become quite warm over the weekend. The two types of houses don’t differ much in this respect. I have even read that the heat cannot be released from the masonry at night, whereas in a timber house with low thermal mass, you can ventilate and thus lower the temperature, or use a brine-earth heat exchanger with the controlled mechanical ventilation system to achieve comfortable temperatures.
How does durability compare? Why is it said that timber houses don’t last as long, and what would be a realistic lifespan?
What are the real disadvantages of modern timber frame prefabricated houses from established manufacturers (Bien-Zenker, Weberhaus)? I am not referring to those from Poland or the Hunsrück region.
I want to exclude soundproofing from this discussion, since we are building in a very quiet residential area, as are most such areas. The special case of building a house near a flight path, on a main road, or similar, I don’t want to discuss here, especially since a double or triple-layered wall also provides some sound insulation (actually quite good).
I have always had concerns about mold, but on the other hand, where would the moisture come from? In the case of a pipe leak and significant moisture damage, sources suggest that solid/concrete houses have worse problems than timber structures. The procedure here is to remove drywall, dispose of insulation in the affected area, allow it to dry for a week (using controlled mechanical ventilation with professional equipment), then install new insulation, close it up, and it’s done.
Normally, without a pipe break, moisture shouldn’t actually penetrate, right? Just like with solid construction, only the first few millimeters of the wall serve as a moisture buffer. It is well known that there is no “breathing wall.”
Regarding summer heat protection, I have experienced that even shaded solid model homes can become quite warm over the weekend. The two types of houses don’t differ much in this respect. I have even read that the heat cannot be released from the masonry at night, whereas in a timber house with low thermal mass, you can ventilate and thus lower the temperature, or use a brine-earth heat exchanger with the controlled mechanical ventilation system to achieve comfortable temperatures.
How does durability compare? Why is it said that timber houses don’t last as long, and what would be a realistic lifespan?
What are the real disadvantages of modern timber frame prefabricated houses from established manufacturers (Bien-Zenker, Weberhaus)? I am not referring to those from Poland or the Hunsrück region.
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Hausqualle26 Jul 2015 13:04oleda222 schrieb:
the reality seems to be different. .. wrong .. absolutely wrong ... a layperson has no expertise and presents their self-drawn floor plan to various construction companies to get a quote, and that is exactly the wrong approach ... when you want to buy a new car, you don’t design your own car and then go to a car manufacturer asking for a quote for that car; instead, you buy the car that is offered .. oops:H
Hausqualle26 Jul 2015 13:06oleda222 schrieb:
When you read such nonsense, you really look forward to your hopefully imminent suspension from this forum... .. oh, I see ...and why don’t you write that to this Bautram? You seem to be quite biased ..
Bautraum2015 schrieb:
...read a good book “Discussions for Dummies” and then we’ll talk again....Mr. ExpertI also believe that this is the wrong approach, although it does not change the fact that it is a commonly chosen one. Therefore, it makes no sense to claim without reasonable justification that timber frame construction is cheaper when many find that this is not the case for their individual project.
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Hausqualle26 Jul 2015 13:16oleda222 schrieb:
Therefore, it makes no sense to assume without a valid reason that timber frame construction is cheaper when many people find that this is not the case for their individual projects. ... you also have the wrong mindset on this ... typical layperson ... this forum discusses the disadvantages of timber stud framing as well as its costs, and there are only advantages, with the costs being lower for timber stud framing ... if you do not mentally follow my previous posts and comments, then you’d better not write anything further or consult a professional first ...
Well, I also think that your discussion style could be significantly improved. I took Bautraum’s comment as a genuine recommendation.
Your post was simply a personal insult, which unfortunately fits the rest of your behavior. Take the advice seriously, and maybe you'll manage to handle it and be able to communicate with others online like a normal person...
Your post was simply a personal insult, which unfortunately fits the rest of your behavior. Take the advice seriously, and maybe you'll manage to handle it and be able to communicate with others online like a normal person...
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Hausqualle26 Jul 2015 13:23You just don’t like that I disagree with you. You are simply amateurs with no real knowledge about construction. I can tell from your unprofessional posts and polemical comments.
The problem with your posts is that they unsettle other users because no clear or technically sound information is provided, only polemics.
The problem with your posts is that they unsettle other users because no clear or technically sound information is provided, only polemics.