Certainly, this discussion has probably come up once or twice before – but now, in 2015, how does the technology really stand?
I want to exclude soundproofing from this discussion, since we are building in a very quiet residential area, as are most such areas. The special case of building a house near a flight path, on a main road, or similar, I don’t want to discuss here, especially since a double or triple-layered wall also provides some sound insulation (actually quite good).
I have always had concerns about mold, but on the other hand, where would the moisture come from? In the case of a pipe leak and significant moisture damage, sources suggest that solid/concrete houses have worse problems than timber structures. The procedure here is to remove drywall, dispose of insulation in the affected area, allow it to dry for a week (using controlled mechanical ventilation with professional equipment), then install new insulation, close it up, and it’s done.
Normally, without a pipe break, moisture shouldn’t actually penetrate, right? Just like with solid construction, only the first few millimeters of the wall serve as a moisture buffer. It is well known that there is no “breathing wall.”
Regarding summer heat protection, I have experienced that even shaded solid model homes can become quite warm over the weekend. The two types of houses don’t differ much in this respect. I have even read that the heat cannot be released from the masonry at night, whereas in a timber house with low thermal mass, you can ventilate and thus lower the temperature, or use a brine-earth heat exchanger with the controlled mechanical ventilation system to achieve comfortable temperatures.
How does durability compare? Why is it said that timber houses don’t last as long, and what would be a realistic lifespan?
What are the real disadvantages of modern timber frame prefabricated houses from established manufacturers (Bien-Zenker, Weberhaus)? I am not referring to those from Poland or the Hunsrück region.
I want to exclude soundproofing from this discussion, since we are building in a very quiet residential area, as are most such areas. The special case of building a house near a flight path, on a main road, or similar, I don’t want to discuss here, especially since a double or triple-layered wall also provides some sound insulation (actually quite good).
I have always had concerns about mold, but on the other hand, where would the moisture come from? In the case of a pipe leak and significant moisture damage, sources suggest that solid/concrete houses have worse problems than timber structures. The procedure here is to remove drywall, dispose of insulation in the affected area, allow it to dry for a week (using controlled mechanical ventilation with professional equipment), then install new insulation, close it up, and it’s done.
Normally, without a pipe break, moisture shouldn’t actually penetrate, right? Just like with solid construction, only the first few millimeters of the wall serve as a moisture buffer. It is well known that there is no “breathing wall.”
Regarding summer heat protection, I have experienced that even shaded solid model homes can become quite warm over the weekend. The two types of houses don’t differ much in this respect. I have even read that the heat cannot be released from the masonry at night, whereas in a timber house with low thermal mass, you can ventilate and thus lower the temperature, or use a brine-earth heat exchanger with the controlled mechanical ventilation system to achieve comfortable temperatures.
How does durability compare? Why is it said that timber houses don’t last as long, and what would be a realistic lifespan?
What are the real disadvantages of modern timber frame prefabricated houses from established manufacturers (Bien-Zenker, Weberhaus)? I am not referring to those from Poland or the Hunsrück region.
What exactly is supposed to be unstable about this structure? Timber frame construction is used almost exclusively in Northern Europe. How often do you read in the news that houses there frequently collapse due to instability?
How could anyone even build a timber frame house if your idea were even remotely realistic?
How could anyone even build a timber frame house if your idea were even remotely realistic?
Bautraum201522 Jul 2015 09:06Our contractor damaged the corner of our house with his large agricultural machine two weeks ago... I really don’t want to imagine how that would have turned out with a timber frame structure. Well, these things don’t happen every day.
- No design changes during the construction phase (with solid construction, you can still make changes during the shell phase)
- Material selection takes place on site with solid construction – sockets are planned on site and not on paper or based on a 3D model
- Durability: Certainly a matter of debate. For example, I would currently not buy a 20-year-old prefabricated house, but I would have fewer concerns about a solid house.
- Material selection takes place on site with solid construction – sockets are planned on site and not on paper or based on a 3D model
- Durability: Certainly a matter of debate. For example, I would currently not buy a 20-year-old prefabricated house, but I would have fewer concerns about a solid house.
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Irgendwoabaier22 Jul 2015 17:41Patchwork schrieb:
- Selections for the solid construction were made on site – electrical outlets were planned directly on location rather than on paper or using a 3D model.
- Durability: Certainly a matter for debate. For example, I currently wouldn’t buy a 20-year-old prefabricated house, whereas I would have fewer concerns about a solid-built house.So... electrical outlets, lighting points, and bathroom details were all finalized on site after the timber house was already in place. The bathroom layout had been planned in advance, but individual details were only decided on location. Everything else was done once the basic shell was completed.
Regarding the topic of a 20-year-old prefabricated house – what would be the argument against it? And what would favor a 20-year-old solid-built house? In both cases, it really depends on the specifics and maintenance condition...
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Bauexperte23 Jul 2015 11:18Hello,
There are NO pros and cons within each building system; only personal preferences! And just as people have personal preferences, there are also people who make mistakes—mistakes that can, for example, lead to moisture damage.
Houses have always been built from wood, clay, or stone and ALWAYS according to the best knowledge available at the time. Judging past building methods as totally inadequate from today’s perspective is therefore misleading and definitely unfair, since previous generations simply didn’t know better.
Decide based on your preferences which building system should later bear your nameplate. Make sure your requirements for your future home are met in whichever system you choose. Then the decision is simple—no more, no less.
Best regards, Bauexperte
Grym schrieb:Yes – focusing on 2015 doesn’t make it any better.
Surely this discussion has come up once or twice before – but now, as of 2015, how does the technology stand?
Grym schrieb:I increasingly wonder if you want to build a house or write a thesis on building materials that users are interested in?
What are the real disadvantages of today’s timber frame prefabricated houses from established suppliers (Bien-Zenker, Weberhaus)? I’m not referring to the ones from Poland or the Hunsrück region.
There are NO pros and cons within each building system; only personal preferences! And just as people have personal preferences, there are also people who make mistakes—mistakes that can, for example, lead to moisture damage.
Houses have always been built from wood, clay, or stone and ALWAYS according to the best knowledge available at the time. Judging past building methods as totally inadequate from today’s perspective is therefore misleading and definitely unfair, since previous generations simply didn’t know better.
Decide based on your preferences which building system should later bear your nameplate. Make sure your requirements for your future home are met in whichever system you choose. Then the decision is simple—no more, no less.
Best regards, Bauexperte
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