Certainly, this discussion has probably come up once or twice before – but now, in 2015, how does the technology really stand?
I want to exclude soundproofing from this discussion, since we are building in a very quiet residential area, as are most such areas. The special case of building a house near a flight path, on a main road, or similar, I don’t want to discuss here, especially since a double or triple-layered wall also provides some sound insulation (actually quite good).
I have always had concerns about mold, but on the other hand, where would the moisture come from? In the case of a pipe leak and significant moisture damage, sources suggest that solid/concrete houses have worse problems than timber structures. The procedure here is to remove drywall, dispose of insulation in the affected area, allow it to dry for a week (using controlled mechanical ventilation with professional equipment), then install new insulation, close it up, and it’s done.
Normally, without a pipe break, moisture shouldn’t actually penetrate, right? Just like with solid construction, only the first few millimeters of the wall serve as a moisture buffer. It is well known that there is no “breathing wall.”
Regarding summer heat protection, I have experienced that even shaded solid model homes can become quite warm over the weekend. The two types of houses don’t differ much in this respect. I have even read that the heat cannot be released from the masonry at night, whereas in a timber house with low thermal mass, you can ventilate and thus lower the temperature, or use a brine-earth heat exchanger with the controlled mechanical ventilation system to achieve comfortable temperatures.
How does durability compare? Why is it said that timber houses don’t last as long, and what would be a realistic lifespan?
What are the real disadvantages of modern timber frame prefabricated houses from established manufacturers (Bien-Zenker, Weberhaus)? I am not referring to those from Poland or the Hunsrück region.
I want to exclude soundproofing from this discussion, since we are building in a very quiet residential area, as are most such areas. The special case of building a house near a flight path, on a main road, or similar, I don’t want to discuss here, especially since a double or triple-layered wall also provides some sound insulation (actually quite good).
I have always had concerns about mold, but on the other hand, where would the moisture come from? In the case of a pipe leak and significant moisture damage, sources suggest that solid/concrete houses have worse problems than timber structures. The procedure here is to remove drywall, dispose of insulation in the affected area, allow it to dry for a week (using controlled mechanical ventilation with professional equipment), then install new insulation, close it up, and it’s done.
Normally, without a pipe break, moisture shouldn’t actually penetrate, right? Just like with solid construction, only the first few millimeters of the wall serve as a moisture buffer. It is well known that there is no “breathing wall.”
Regarding summer heat protection, I have experienced that even shaded solid model homes can become quite warm over the weekend. The two types of houses don’t differ much in this respect. I have even read that the heat cannot be released from the masonry at night, whereas in a timber house with low thermal mass, you can ventilate and thus lower the temperature, or use a brine-earth heat exchanger with the controlled mechanical ventilation system to achieve comfortable temperatures.
How does durability compare? Why is it said that timber houses don’t last as long, and what would be a realistic lifespan?
What are the real disadvantages of modern timber frame prefabricated houses from established manufacturers (Bien-Zenker, Weberhaus)? I am not referring to those from Poland or the Hunsrück region.
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Hausqualle25 Jul 2015 12:54Bautraum2015 schrieb:
but we sat down several times with the individual providers. .. you don’t know what you presented to them or what you discussed, so it’s completely irrelevant; you can’t compare apples and oranges, especially if you don’t even know the differences.
Bautraum201525 Jul 2015 13:02You’re repeating yourself... it’s getting boring. You don’t know our plan, so let’s keep things realistic... or let’s not mix apples and oranges. What we do know is that a timber frame house would have been more expensive for us, definitely more expensive—I have the cost breakdowns here, and the numbers confirm it. The solid wood house was almost 50% more expensive, making it the most costly option. Our floor plan is very simple, with no structural special requirements for any material, so it could have been built by any contractor without major difficulties... but yes, but yes... apples and oranges and all that.
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Hausqualle25 Jul 2015 13:09Bautraum2015 schrieb:
... The solid wood house was then almost 50% more expensive and therefore the most expensive. .. and here we already have your apples and oranges, you write about a solid wood house .. so what do you mean by a solid wood house .. apparently you have no knowledge of timber frame houses and are not an expert, so you cannot make any valid assessments about the cost estimates of a timber frame house here ..Bautraum201525 Jul 2015 13:29Oh dear... you’re really as annoying as a jellyfish. I think you simply lack the expertise to read the posts here properly. In our case, a solid wood house was a log cabin… does that ring a bell? That was one of our building methods, alongside timber frame, post-and-beam, and solid construction with various types of masonry, which we studied thoroughly. Do you always have to have a degree to build a house... or is that why you always demand a professional? Comparing floor plans across different construction methods has nothing to do with comparing apples and oranges. Now, calm down a bit... it’s not good for you.
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Hausqualle25 Jul 2015 13:38Bautraum2015 schrieb:
A solid wood house in our case was a log cabin... does that ring a bell? .. oh, I see .. but you can get a log cabin for just 10.00 euros, well, I can tell right away that you really have no clue at all .. no wonder the companies took advantage of you .. an amateur who thinks they know best .. and there are delicious steaks in the log cabin ..Bautraum201525 Jul 2015 13:45I have to disappoint you; we have two civil engineers in the family, and one of them was always involved... but I guess they’re not experts in your eyes. By the way, you still haven’t provided any real arguments (using installation time as an argument? How narrow-minded!). Read a good book like "Discussions for Dummies" and then we can talk again... Mr. Expert
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