Good morning dear forum,
as the title suggests, I have a question regarding the detailed design phase, but unfortunately, I need to provide some background first:
We worked with an architect on the planning permission stage, and the building permit / planning permission application has been submitted. We have a friend who is a contractor (civil and structural works) supporting us privately with our project. He recommended an engineering firm for phases 6-9 (execution planning and supervision), with whom he likes to cooperate because they are both technically skilled and personally reliable.
We have now met with the engineering firm. They will handle the commercial aspects and the tendering, and one of their engineers is an energy consultant and building surveyor who would take over the site management / construction supervision. So far, so good.
Now to the main reason for my question:
The future site manager has reviewed our plans and found them very good. So good, in fact, that he suggested, once he receives the structural engineer’s plans and possibly one or two additional detailed drawings (including floor and roof construction), we could forego the execution planning phase. After a brief discussion with our contractor friend, this would be possible but would mean more coordination effort for the site manager.
Naturally, we are somewhat uncertain. On the one hand, we want to build a house without major defects or problems, but on the other hand, this option is financially tempting for us.
Can we rely on the statement of the site manager, who is also a building surveyor, or how would you proceed? What can we do to avoid any pitfalls?
Thank you in advance for your answers.
If any additional information is needed, I am happy to provide it.
Best regards
P.S.: Maybe it’s important to mention: we are building a fairly “simple” house in terms of structure, with no complicated walls or ceilings as far as I can judge.
as the title suggests, I have a question regarding the detailed design phase, but unfortunately, I need to provide some background first:
We worked with an architect on the planning permission stage, and the building permit / planning permission application has been submitted. We have a friend who is a contractor (civil and structural works) supporting us privately with our project. He recommended an engineering firm for phases 6-9 (execution planning and supervision), with whom he likes to cooperate because they are both technically skilled and personally reliable.
We have now met with the engineering firm. They will handle the commercial aspects and the tendering, and one of their engineers is an energy consultant and building surveyor who would take over the site management / construction supervision. So far, so good.
Now to the main reason for my question:
The future site manager has reviewed our plans and found them very good. So good, in fact, that he suggested, once he receives the structural engineer’s plans and possibly one or two additional detailed drawings (including floor and roof construction), we could forego the execution planning phase. After a brief discussion with our contractor friend, this would be possible but would mean more coordination effort for the site manager.
Naturally, we are somewhat uncertain. On the one hand, we want to build a house without major defects or problems, but on the other hand, this option is financially tempting for us.
Can we rely on the statement of the site manager, who is also a building surveyor, or how would you proceed? What can we do to avoid any pitfalls?
Thank you in advance for your answers.
If any additional information is needed, I am happy to provide it.
Best regards
P.S.: Maybe it’s important to mention: we are building a fairly “simple” house in terms of structure, with no complicated walls or ceilings as far as I can judge.
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Tagtraum854 Feb 2015 14:23@klblb
So, you are building without detailed construction drawings? Is that intentional?
So, you are building without detailed construction drawings? Is that intentional?
@Tagtraum85
No way, absolutely not! I have a very detailed execution plan. Every local (!!) tradesperson would be amazed when they see it.
And in my opinion, you already need an execution plan during the shell construction phase, because important connections to roller shutter boxes, ceilings, ring beams, roof, insulation, windows, etc., must be taken into account there.
I just wanted to say that it is possible to proceed without an execution plan. The question of who is responsible for defects and fixed misunderstandings in that case is a good one.
No way, absolutely not! I have a very detailed execution plan. Every local (!!) tradesperson would be amazed when they see it.
And in my opinion, you already need an execution plan during the shell construction phase, because important connections to roller shutter boxes, ceilings, ring beams, roof, insulation, windows, etc., must be taken into account there.
I just wanted to say that it is possible to proceed without an execution plan. The question of who is responsible for defects and fixed misunderstandings in that case is a good one.
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Sebastian7929 Dec 2015 08:13Working drawings are always at a minimum scale of 1:50.
- Detailed planning is often at an even larger scale.
- Detailed planning is often at an even larger scale.
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Sebastian7929 Dec 2015 08:27If detailed construction drawings in 1:50 scale are standard and required by the trades, then hardly ever.
I sometimes found 1:50 too small for certain details – that's why there are even more detailed drawings available.
I sometimes found 1:50 too small for certain details – that's why there are even more detailed drawings available.