ᐅ Building without detailed execution plans – experiences on whether this is feasible?
Created on: 5 Oct 2018 17:23
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andiroWe had our single-family house planned by an architect up to the building permit stage (design phase 4 included), and the structural engineering is still in progress.
My wife’s aunt (a civil engineer specialized in building construction, retired for about 5 years) has offered to take on the construction management, meaning she would be responsible starting after the design phase, once the permit, structural engineering, and soil report are completed.
The architect has now pointed us to the detailed construction drawings (design phase 5), which would then be prepared by the construction manager.
However, the construction manager says she doesn’t need these drawings and plans to coordinate and clarify everything directly with the various contractors.
The architect says she could still take on the detailed construction planning for a five-figure fee and believes that the approach our construction manager wants to take could lead to problems.
So far, due to numerous delays, we have not been completely satisfied with the architect.
Has anyone here managed a construction project successfully without detailed construction drawings, or is this even possible and workable?
I would be very grateful for any constructive input...
My wife’s aunt (a civil engineer specialized in building construction, retired for about 5 years) has offered to take on the construction management, meaning she would be responsible starting after the design phase, once the permit, structural engineering, and soil report are completed.
The architect has now pointed us to the detailed construction drawings (design phase 5), which would then be prepared by the construction manager.
However, the construction manager says she doesn’t need these drawings and plans to coordinate and clarify everything directly with the various contractors.
The architect says she could still take on the detailed construction planning for a five-figure fee and believes that the approach our construction manager wants to take could lead to problems.
So far, due to numerous delays, we have not been completely satisfied with the architect.
Has anyone here managed a construction project successfully without detailed construction drawings, or is this even possible and workable?
I would be very grateful for any constructive input...
Yes, we did, and it was a really bad idea. Our site manager said the same, so we dismissed him to try to save something.
The execution plan, or working plan, is essential and determines the quality of the construction work.
There is also a user here who can tell you more about this, unless he is currently close to another breakdown.
The execution plan, or working plan, is essential and determines the quality of the construction work.
There is also a user here who can tell you more about this, unless he is currently close to another breakdown.
andiro schrieb:
My wife’s aunt (a civil engineer specialized in building construction and retired for about 5 years) [...] now thinks that these plans are not necessary and that she will discuss and sort things out directly with the various construction companies. Building permit plans, to put it simply in German terms, show the “house from Nikolaus”. They are illustrated proofs of areas, volumes, and structural planning.
You cannot build based on these alone—especially if the planner is not supervising the construction. I know several architects who handle both planning and construction in-house and have been working with skilled craftsmen for many years—yet they still do not skip detailed execution plans. And they did not do so even before ceiling spotlights became trendy.
Furthermore, the site manager has been retired for more than one energy saving regulation update (thinking about slim slab ceilings is easy, but is she already familiar with thermal insulation baskets?)—she should still be competent enough (unless she spent the last twenty years at the local building authority), but her practical experience might not entirely match the current realities of construction technology.
The points “site manager is not the designer” and “no longer up to date” would be decisive for me not to take unnecessary risks.
If the aunt can really do this easily, then let her prepare the execution plans. At least for some specific details (transitions between terrace and door, stairs and steps, ceiling openings, cantilevers, cornice boxes, shower drains) and, of course, develop the scope of work description. Yes, yes, “just a little household task” (as Johanna von Koczian used to say)—this phase of work is not easy money saved or earned.
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Bookstar schrieb:
Yes, we did, and it was a really bad idea. Our site manager said the same, so we fired him to try to save something.
The detailed construction plan or execution plan is essential and determines the quality of the work.
There is also a user here who can tell you more about this, unless he is about to have another nervous breakdown. Is Hotzi building without a detailed construction plan?
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