Certainly, this discussion has probably come up once or twice before – but now, in 2015, how does the technology really stand?
I want to exclude soundproofing from this discussion, since we are building in a very quiet residential area, as are most such areas. The special case of building a house near a flight path, on a main road, or similar, I don’t want to discuss here, especially since a double or triple-layered wall also provides some sound insulation (actually quite good).
I have always had concerns about mold, but on the other hand, where would the moisture come from? In the case of a pipe leak and significant moisture damage, sources suggest that solid/concrete houses have worse problems than timber structures. The procedure here is to remove drywall, dispose of insulation in the affected area, allow it to dry for a week (using controlled mechanical ventilation with professional equipment), then install new insulation, close it up, and it’s done.
Normally, without a pipe break, moisture shouldn’t actually penetrate, right? Just like with solid construction, only the first few millimeters of the wall serve as a moisture buffer. It is well known that there is no “breathing wall.”
Regarding summer heat protection, I have experienced that even shaded solid model homes can become quite warm over the weekend. The two types of houses don’t differ much in this respect. I have even read that the heat cannot be released from the masonry at night, whereas in a timber house with low thermal mass, you can ventilate and thus lower the temperature, or use a brine-earth heat exchanger with the controlled mechanical ventilation system to achieve comfortable temperatures.
How does durability compare? Why is it said that timber houses don’t last as long, and what would be a realistic lifespan?
What are the real disadvantages of modern timber frame prefabricated houses from established manufacturers (Bien-Zenker, Weberhaus)? I am not referring to those from Poland or the Hunsrück region.
I want to exclude soundproofing from this discussion, since we are building in a very quiet residential area, as are most such areas. The special case of building a house near a flight path, on a main road, or similar, I don’t want to discuss here, especially since a double or triple-layered wall also provides some sound insulation (actually quite good).
I have always had concerns about mold, but on the other hand, where would the moisture come from? In the case of a pipe leak and significant moisture damage, sources suggest that solid/concrete houses have worse problems than timber structures. The procedure here is to remove drywall, dispose of insulation in the affected area, allow it to dry for a week (using controlled mechanical ventilation with professional equipment), then install new insulation, close it up, and it’s done.
Normally, without a pipe break, moisture shouldn’t actually penetrate, right? Just like with solid construction, only the first few millimeters of the wall serve as a moisture buffer. It is well known that there is no “breathing wall.”
Regarding summer heat protection, I have experienced that even shaded solid model homes can become quite warm over the weekend. The two types of houses don’t differ much in this respect. I have even read that the heat cannot be released from the masonry at night, whereas in a timber house with low thermal mass, you can ventilate and thus lower the temperature, or use a brine-earth heat exchanger with the controlled mechanical ventilation system to achieve comfortable temperatures.
How does durability compare? Why is it said that timber houses don’t last as long, and what would be a realistic lifespan?
What are the real disadvantages of modern timber frame prefabricated houses from established manufacturers (Bien-Zenker, Weberhaus)? I am not referring to those from Poland or the Hunsrück region.
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Hausqualle26 Jul 2015 12:06nordanney schrieb:
It is simply ironic that you criticize the lack of comparability while assuming (independent) expert knowledge for comparability, which the average homeowner simply cannot have in this form. .. then it is simply ironic when the average homeowner just claims that a timber-framed house is more expensive than a masonry house, even though they have no knowledge of the subject at allH
Hausqualle26 Jul 2015 12:09oleda222 schrieb:
When you design a house according to your wishes, timber frame construction is usually more expensive than solid construction … this approach is exactly the wrong way … it starts with the question, "what can I afford to build," "what do I want to have, and what type of construction should it be," then you plan accordingly, taking into account a wide range of factors that also depend on the location.
Bautraum201526 Jul 2015 12:11Do you realize, hausqualle? A statement based on experience (strangely, almost everyone here has had this experience) is not just a claim, but an experience-based assertion. I only shared my own experience here... and that is a fact, unlike your claims. Yours are actually just unsupported assertions in a vacuum. For US, a prefabricated house would be more expensive for us... period.
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Hausqualle26 Jul 2015 12:56Bautraum2015 schrieb:
Do you realize something, hausqualle? .. yes, your education is not sufficient to understand itHausqualle schrieb:
.. it is simply mockery when the average home builder just claims that a timber frame house is more expensive than a solid masonry house, despite having no real knowledge of the whole subjectIn the end, what matters is that the decision-maker and the payer for a house are usually the same person. If decision-makers feel they are paying more for a wood frame construction with the same performance, then it is the fault of the wood frame providers for not marketing their product well—assuming your so far unproven assumption is correct, that wood frame construction should generally be cheaper.
Hausqualle schrieb:
.. this approach is exactly the wrong one ... it starts with the question, "what can I afford to build?", "what do I want to have, and which construction method should it be?" then planning follows accordingly, involving many different factors that also depend on the location.It’s nice that you think you can establish the generally accepted procedure for building a house, but practice seems to show something quite different.
Hausqualle schrieb:
.. yes, your knowledge is not sufficient to understand it When reading such nonsense, one already looks forward to your hopefully upcoming suspension from this forum...