ᐅ Is network planning for a new semi-detached house useful or possibly overkill?
Created on: 31 Aug 2021 10:30
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vorkalmatador
Hello everyone,
here is the starting situation:
A semi-detached house with 3 floors (ground floor/first floor/attic). There are a total of 12 network ports ending in the utility room. The Magenta 250 plan will be ordered. The 12 cables equipped with keystone modules run into a patch panel and from there into a Netgear GS116PP PoE switch. From there they go to a FritzBox 7590AX (modem + router).
In the living room wall on the ground floor (inWall HD, I reacted too late here, so no preparations were made in the concrete ceiling for the ceiling construction) and in the hallway ceiling on the first floor (Nano HD, as the drywall ceiling is still to be done), 2 Ubiquiti Wi-Fi access points will be installed to provide wireless coverage for the house and garden.
One TV, two PCs and one console are initially connected via LAN, the rest via Wi-Fi. Otherwise there are smaller smart home devices like Shelly actuators for the shutters and typical Hue/Alexa stuff. We will not use fixed-line telephony.
Yesterday I had a thought in bed: is the FritzBox I bought enthusiastically overkill because I hardly use it? I will presumably disable its Wi-Fi function, so I won’t benefit from Wi-Fi 6 since the two Ubiquitis will take over that task.
Should I rather go for the Wi-Fi 6 versions of the two Ubiquitis?
The router has 16x PoE+, but it is unmanaged, which apparently can cause problems with MagentaTV because it uses multicast. So far, we do not use MagentaTV but other providers who apparently stream via unicast, so there are no issues. As a typical user, are there other disadvantages to using an unmanaged switch? I do not use VLANs, etc.
The NanoHD in the hallway ceiling on the first floor probably won’t provide coverage “upwards” into the finished attic, right? There are two duplex ports in the attic where our desks are planned, so I could still install an access point there if needed.
AVM does not make access points for ceiling or wall mounting, correct? I’m worried that even the Ubiquitis might be overkill for my situation and that integrating AVM access points would be much simpler and more practical. But now that the preparations for wall/ceiling installation are already done 🙂
I would appreciate your comments and advice.
Best regards
here is the starting situation:
A semi-detached house with 3 floors (ground floor/first floor/attic). There are a total of 12 network ports ending in the utility room. The Magenta 250 plan will be ordered. The 12 cables equipped with keystone modules run into a patch panel and from there into a Netgear GS116PP PoE switch. From there they go to a FritzBox 7590AX (modem + router).
In the living room wall on the ground floor (inWall HD, I reacted too late here, so no preparations were made in the concrete ceiling for the ceiling construction) and in the hallway ceiling on the first floor (Nano HD, as the drywall ceiling is still to be done), 2 Ubiquiti Wi-Fi access points will be installed to provide wireless coverage for the house and garden.
One TV, two PCs and one console are initially connected via LAN, the rest via Wi-Fi. Otherwise there are smaller smart home devices like Shelly actuators for the shutters and typical Hue/Alexa stuff. We will not use fixed-line telephony.
Yesterday I had a thought in bed: is the FritzBox I bought enthusiastically overkill because I hardly use it? I will presumably disable its Wi-Fi function, so I won’t benefit from Wi-Fi 6 since the two Ubiquitis will take over that task.
Should I rather go for the Wi-Fi 6 versions of the two Ubiquitis?
The router has 16x PoE+, but it is unmanaged, which apparently can cause problems with MagentaTV because it uses multicast. So far, we do not use MagentaTV but other providers who apparently stream via unicast, so there are no issues. As a typical user, are there other disadvantages to using an unmanaged switch? I do not use VLANs, etc.
The NanoHD in the hallway ceiling on the first floor probably won’t provide coverage “upwards” into the finished attic, right? There are two duplex ports in the attic where our desks are planned, so I could still install an access point there if needed.
AVM does not make access points for ceiling or wall mounting, correct? I’m worried that even the Ubiquitis might be overkill for my situation and that integrating AVM access points would be much simpler and more practical. But now that the preparations for wall/ceiling installation are already done 🙂
I would appreciate your comments and advice.
Best regards
S
Strahleman31 Aug 2021 13:43You will most likely not have the same spacing between the ports on the Keystone panel as on the router, so it doesn’t really matter which panel you choose. The cables won’t run perfectly parallel from the panel to the switch anyway. A 24-port panel might be sufficient, with the remaining module openings closed off using blanking inserts.
With the 7590AX, of course, it depends on the price you paid. I wouldn’t bother swapping things back and forth over a price difference of 30 euros. It’s better to keep the router. Who knows, maybe a feature will still be added via an update that the smaller models won’t get.
With the 7590AX, of course, it depends on the price you paid. I wouldn’t bother swapping things back and forth over a price difference of 30 euros. It’s better to keep the router. Who knows, maybe a feature will still be added via an update that the smaller models won’t get.
vorkalmatador schrieb:
We don’t use a landline phone.
The long update support was a strong reason for the FRITZ!Box, but honestly, I don’t see much added value at the moment. It’s a shame; I hoped you could convince me not to send this great device back 🙂
So I’ll stick with the 2–3 Ubiquiti access points and not switch to AVM. Then I’ll disable the Fritzbox’s Wi-Fi.
Do you think it makes sense to replace the switch with a managed one? We currently don’t use MagentaTV.
Since I have a 16-port switch (I specifically chose one with all ports aligned side by side to easily cable symmetrically from top to bottom to the patch panel), I’m now looking for a 16-port keystone patch panel.
For 16 ports, I only find the “blank panel” without any internal structure: ![netzwerkplanung-neubau-Doppelhaushälfte-sinnvoll-oder-evtl-overkill-526021-1.png"]65115[/ATTACH] <br />
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I would prefer something like this: [ATTACH type="full](/attachments/65116/)
, where I can also secure the patch cables behind it. What do you think? For your requirements, any current FRITZ!Box supporting Supervectoring up to 250 Mbit will do. You only need a modem, DHCP, and DNS.
No landline means you rely entirely on mobile phones? Then that naturally removes telephony from the requirements.
Just keep in mind that modern houses can have poor mobile reception, and Wi-Fi calling doesn’t always work reliably.
About the switch: if you want to keep the option of VLANs open, you’ll need a more advanced device. Since the Fritzbox doesn’t support VLAN routing, you’d need an additional router behind it to handle that or a DHCP-capable managed switch.
If that doesn’t matter now or in the future, and Magenta TV will never be used, I don’t see a reason to go for a managed switch.
Just because a switch is marketed as managed doesn’t automatically mean it provides added value. There is a lot of marketing involved. To be on the safe side regarding the benefits of management, you’d need a Layer 3 switch supporting at least static routes, which would require either a different router than the FRITZ!Box or a switch with its own DHCP server that could run directly behind the FRITZ!Box and take over routing completely.
vorkalmatador schrieb:
to provide the house + garden with Wi-FiNo one has mentioned this yet, but if your garden is larger than 20 m² (215 sq ft), you should consider an outdoor access point. With today’s 5 GHz frequency (and the upcoming 6 GHz), the signal will typically not reach much beyond the patio door. (The range will be even more limited with 6 GHz.)O
Oetzberger1 Sep 2021 12:40Strahleman schrieb:
Since the transmission power is limited in Germany, the Unifis have a similar output to other quality products.It is also strongly advised against selecting the USA as the location in the configuration. This can cause some Ubiquiti devices to increase transmission power beyond regulatory limits.
Oetzberger schrieb:
It is also strongly advised against setting the USA as the location in the configuration. This can cause some Ubiquiti devices to increase their transmission power beyond legal limits. Is this a hidden tip to tweak your access point?
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