[A friendly hello] to the forum community from the tri-border area A/CH/D!
After spending several days browsing here first as a guest and now as a registered user, and wishing some posts were available in book format – so much information, excitement & entertainment – I’ll briefly introduce myself and start my first thread (the first of probably many to come 😉)
The [short] facts about the topic (more detailed info will follow once the first floor plans are ready; I’ll answer the list of questions there since it seems more appropriate):
We have been talking for years about tearing down our parents’ house (about 200 years old, oil and wood stoves only in occupied rooms, not all rooms properly insulated, ceiling and room heights so low it’s frustrating… can you feel my enthusiasm? … but it does have a very nice location – except for the [lovely] relatives who built next door – see attachment) and building something new instead. Finally, *hurray*, we now have a timeline and a budget.
Attached are pictures of the land and our house – the one with the red roof on the *curvy corner* (I can upload photos of the garden and views from the property on request) and my first plans. Honestly, the initial plan was created with an online planner, fully furnished, with decorations, pictures and all my plants – and there are quite a few *gg* . It was quite a challenge remodeling everything every time a wall was changed.
But I’m somewhat teachable and have now gotten a ruler, pencil, and of course an eraser. I’m no longer drawing decorations, and I’ll get graph paper soon, I promise!
I hope you can follow the plan; only the exterior walls are drawn, marked in red on the ground floor and orange hatch for the upper floor. The plot dimensions and the 3 m (10 ft) setback distance are also indicated. South is at the bottom as usual … until now in my plans the bottom was always where I placed the entrance, but as I said, I’m learning…
Now that you’ve had a look here, I’m interested in what you would build differently and how the cost differences are roughly affected by walls with flush corners, more corners and edges, shifted upper floors, etc. The question is less about why the garage length varies or why wall lengths differ from plan to plan, but rather about the basic layout and location and to what extent extras impact costs financially.
I hope I included some informative data (which should be highlighted) and now I’ll let you critique me — I’m really looking forward to your opinions and suggestions so that our first house won’t be built for the enemy…. because building three times is out of the question.
PS: In case no one noticed, I really don’t have a clue about planning, so in plain English: a complete novice 🙂
After spending several days browsing here first as a guest and now as a registered user, and wishing some posts were available in book format – so much information, excitement & entertainment – I’ll briefly introduce myself and start my first thread (the first of probably many to come 😉)
The [short] facts about the topic (more detailed info will follow once the first floor plans are ready; I’ll answer the list of questions there since it seems more appropriate):
We have been talking for years about tearing down our parents’ house (about 200 years old, oil and wood stoves only in occupied rooms, not all rooms properly insulated, ceiling and room heights so low it’s frustrating… can you feel my enthusiasm? … but it does have a very nice location – except for the [lovely] relatives who built next door – see attachment) and building something new instead. Finally, *hurray*, we now have a timeline and a budget.
- The land is in Austria/ Vorarlberg near Lake Constance (no lake view… that would be something), just over 700 sqm (7,535 sq ft) – a large protected area to the southwest – level ground
- Originally planned about 120 sqm (1,292 sq ft) living space for two people (as mentioned, more details to come… otherwise I’ll probably annoy you a lot in this first post and have many questions later that will keep you busy for a while)
- Ground floor + 1st floor – no basement – flat roof
- We will live upstairs and sleep downstairs (that’s a fact; it will be hard to change our minds on that). If necessary, we’ll have a stairlift or a small elevator.
Attached are pictures of the land and our house – the one with the red roof on the *curvy corner* (I can upload photos of the garden and views from the property on request) and my first plans. Honestly, the initial plan was created with an online planner, fully furnished, with decorations, pictures and all my plants – and there are quite a few *gg* . It was quite a challenge remodeling everything every time a wall was changed.
But I’m somewhat teachable and have now gotten a ruler, pencil, and of course an eraser. I’m no longer drawing decorations, and I’ll get graph paper soon, I promise!
I hope you can follow the plan; only the exterior walls are drawn, marked in red on the ground floor and orange hatch for the upper floor. The plot dimensions and the 3 m (10 ft) setback distance are also indicated. South is at the bottom as usual … until now in my plans the bottom was always where I placed the entrance, but as I said, I’m learning…
Now that you’ve had a look here, I’m interested in what you would build differently and how the cost differences are roughly affected by walls with flush corners, more corners and edges, shifted upper floors, etc. The question is less about why the garage length varies or why wall lengths differ from plan to plan, but rather about the basic layout and location and to what extent extras impact costs financially.
I hope I included some informative data (which should be highlighted) and now I’ll let you critique me — I’m really looking forward to your opinions and suggestions so that our first house won’t be built for the enemy…. because building three times is out of the question.
PS: In case no one noticed, I really don’t have a clue about planning, so in plain English: a complete novice 🙂
11ant schrieb:
Planning a house with such a shape requirement (L) seems to me a significant challenge for the planning process. I have doubts about the driveway from the district road (?). Why don’t you want to use the local street (residential street?) for vehicle access in all variants?
In a purely introduction thread, I would have expected more about the person and would have waited until after the questionnaire to discuss the house positioning.
Otherwise, I would always develop an option for a "building composition using (partially) the existing structure"—in my view, the mere fact that a house is two hundred years old is not sufficient reason against it.
It’s still unclear to me whether the "reversal" of the traditional floor layout is a description of the current state or a target requirement. Since you say there is unfortunately no lake view and the plot does not seem to be on a significant slope, I don’t understand this "reversal." Where does the view from a sofa on the upper floor even go? Now I also know why you like to know where the plot is located ... maybe you could answer whether that’s a district road ... do we even have those in Austria? 🙄
Until now, we have had parking in front of the house on the dead-end street. My brother is now against that—fence, garden, property boundary—end of story. No more trash bins from half the street at our place ... so parking is now in the north (among other places).
More about me? Even more? Sure ... well, the questionnaire will definitely come in the next few days, I guess I started off wrong. Also the brother/mother topic that keeps coming up here. Who gets to have a say in the planning. Who lives there, and so on...
The house is dead ... at least downstairs ... upstairs it’s better and I made the top floor nice three years ago. But when I presented renovation plans ... no, no, no ... better to demolish everything and build something nice. It’s not a cool 200-year-old house, just an old shack.
The "reversal" is both current and desired *gg*
In winter, I watch the sunset in Switzerland, and in summer toward Lindau. Then I just bury my nose in my book on the upper floor sofa.
icandoit schrieb:
My first idea was not to focus on the L-shape at all. For 120 m2 (1,291 sq ft) across two floors, it doesn’t make much sense. I also planned the garage to be accessed from the side street. I’ll wait for the original poster’s response. They’re probably still enjoying the sun. 😉 We could also talk about a U-shape with an upper floor *lol* I don’t like standard houses...
The sun was nice, but I made a paper 3D Easter bunny... you can imagine rooms with it and wonder what a paper 3D house model would look like and whether I’d need that much glue for it too...
icandoit schrieb:
Huf houses are glass palaces. Who wants everyone to be able to look into their living room?
Say something about the budget.
Take a picture of the view facing south.I love glass palaces... ever since I first read about prefab houses in my youth. And in Vienna at the Blue Lagoon, of course, the most expensive Huf house caught my eye quite provocatively.The budget will be discussed in more detail in the floor plan thread... to follow shortly, within a few days... roughly 400,000 (currency).
Photo facing south – don’t forget *haha*
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pagoni202021 Feb 2021 20:39Tejasvini schrieb:
Finally, we have a schedule and a budget…and what are they?Tejasvini schrieb:
The plan was originally for 120 sqm of living space for two peopleAnd what has changed since the "originally"…?[/QUOTE]
Tejasvini schrieb:
To be honest, the initial plan was created using an online planner and was fully furnished already, with decorations, pictures, and all my plants – and there are quite a few *gg* That was quite an effort, having to remodel every time a wall was changed, which had to happen repeatedly.Ufff…this could be interesting…check in an old school satchel – you’ll probably find a yellowed checkered notepad in there, that should be enough.Tejasvini schrieb:
This is less about why the garage length varies from time to time or why wall lengths change between plans, and more about the basic floor plan and orientation and to what extent extras affect the budget.You really should spend more time reading here; then you would understand this better. Right now it sounds a bit like castles in the air and defensiveness against supposed difficult relatives…sorry. I could more easily imagine a tower with arrow slits being useful, like your neighbor’s house has 😀 😀 😀, clever guy.Tejasvini schrieb:
PS: In case no one noticed, I really don’t know much about planning—in plain English: a complete beginnerThat’s why you’re resisting having an architect involved, like here 🤨 suggested:Tejasvini schrieb:
No, of course not… it’s only about the basic ideaAnd that’s exactly what an architect provides. Now you want to build something “special” with many specific requirements already… no one has that just lying around from a previous project.Tejasvini schrieb:
But the atrium house by Huf is exactly my style.Ah, so that probably explains the idea of the first floor and "some parts should be closed off"… just like Huf’s design.By now you’re writing more, but you’re not answering the questions asked. Hints at family conflicts, fish pond, inheritance issues… all interesting but not helpful here.
What good does it do if you present your relatives (still unclear who exactly) with a great idea, only to be met with resistance from multiple sides—the bank, the building authority (building permit / planning permission), the structural engineer, the architect, and so on?
You say you have no idea, which is not a big problem, but then why refuse an architect? I fear this will just lead to endless discussions without solid facts. That won’t help you, and at least your mentioned mother or others involved surely want more clarity rather than just dreams.
ypg schrieb:
May I ask how old you are? How many family members are going to live there? Tejasvini schrieb:
More about the person? Even more? Sure... well, the questionnaire will definitely come in the next few days—I probably started off on the wrong foot. Then also the brother/mother issue that keeps coming up here. Who has a say in the planning, why, who will live there, and so on...
I think 47... I tend to push it aside or just can’t believe it... Isn't that in the profile?
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