ᐅ We are planning to build in 2022; the planning phase is beginning.
Created on: 6 Jun 2020 09:33
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Ybias78
Before I share the completed data, here are some details about our building project. We are still quite early in the process. About 2.5 years ago, we purchased a plot of land that we are currently paying off. The plot is located within the developed area of Fichtenwalde (about 50km (31 miles) south of Berlin) and is currently classified as forest. There are about 80 trees on the land. Converting it into a building plot is not a problem. However, there is a tree protection regulation, which means all trees must be replaced. The cost of felling the trees, including replanting and a financial deposit (in case the replacement trees do not survive), is around €20,000 (based on feedback from our neighbors who built last year).
We plan to start building the house at the beginning of 2022 and want to consult an architect by August 2020 to design the house and submit the building permit / planning permission application. While the building application is being processed, the land can then be converted, including tree removal. This will be paid for with the money we save from now until the new build. We don’t have any other equity. We moved in together around 10 years ago, during which time we had to pay off my student loans, buy two cars, etc. Our income has also increased over time.
We now need some help with the overall planning. As mentioned, our current plan is:
Here is the plot:

Information about us:
General information about you:
Expenses already included elsewhere can be omitted. This list is not exhaustive and can be extended or summarized. Please specify all costs monthly, even if they only occur annually!
Housing costs:
Other expenses:
General information about the property:
We plan to start building the house at the beginning of 2022 and want to consult an architect by August 2020 to design the house and submit the building permit / planning permission application. While the building application is being processed, the land can then be converted, including tree removal. This will be paid for with the money we save from now until the new build. We don’t have any other equity. We moved in together around 10 years ago, during which time we had to pay off my student loans, buy two cars, etc. Our income has also increased over time.
We now need some help with the overall planning. As mentioned, our current plan is:
- Consult an architect and plan the house by August.
- Submit the building permit / planning permission application in October.
- Tree felling can take place by the end of February.
- In 2021, we will look for a (most likely) regional company to build the house (recommendations welcome).
- From June 2020 to December 2021, the saved money will be spent on:
- Architect fees, tree removal, paying off the land including a €2,750 special repayment. A new car for my wife (approx. €10,000) will also be purchased.
- Cheaper items should also be covered, such as surveying, soil report, etc.
Here is the plot:
Information about us:
General information about you:
- Who are you?
- A family of three.
- How old are you?
- She is 38, he is 41, daughter: 8.
- Do you have children?
- Yes, a girl.
- Are more children planned?
- No others planned.
- What do you do professionally?
- She is a full-time teacher. He is a controlling manager for several hospitals (full-time).
- Are you employed, self-employed, retired, homemaker, etc.?
- Both employed.
- How many hours do you work?
- She works full-time with 27 teaching hours plus preparation and follow-up time. He works 40 hours.
- What are your gross/net incomes?
- She: €2,820. He: €3,000 (tax class IV/IV). This includes about €400 in company pension contributions. Additionally, there are annual bonuses of about €3,000 (not included in net income).
- How much child benefit do you receive?
- €204.
- Other transfer payments like parental allowance, sick pay, etc.?
- None.
- How much equity do you have?
- Currently negligible (under €10,000).
- How much of that equity do you want to invest in the house project?
- All of it.
Expenses already included elsewhere can be omitted. This list is not exhaustive and can be extended or summarized. Please specify all costs monthly, even if they only occur annually!
Housing costs:
- Current basic rent (cold rent)
- €390
- Current total rent (warm rent)
- €567
- Electricity
- €72
- Gas
- None.
- Water, sewage, waste disposal, street cleaning
- Included in additional costs.
- Telephone, internet, mobile phone
- €85 (including Amazon Prime and Netflix)
- Public transport monthly pass (also for children)
- None.
- Car loan (or savings rate for a new car)
- Currently none.
- Insurance
- €100 per month (one fully comprehensive, one partially comprehensive).
- Taxes
- €34
- Fuel
- €200
- Repairs
- €140
- Other
- Is there a second car, motorcycle, scooter? Please specify all costs again!
- Private health insurance (also supplementary health insurance, daily sickness allowance, etc.)
- Dental supplementary insurance: €37
- Liability insurance (including pets)
- €7
- Capital or term life insurance
- None
- Pension insurance (including company pension plans)
- Company pension contributions (already included in net income).
- Disability insurance
- None
- Accident insurance
- None
- Household contents insurance
- €7
- Legal expenses insurance
- €20
- Other insurance (e.g., travel insurance, funeral insurance)
- Groceries
- Difficult to plan.
- Dining out
- Personal care/drugstore
- Pets (food, vet, medication, housing)
- Medication
- Clothing
- Furniture
- Childcare/school fees (including meals)
- After-school care €190 including meals
- Tutoring
- School supplies and books
- Club fees/gym
- Student association: €20
- Gym: €25
- Daughter’s music school: €66
- Babysitter
- Toys
- Cleaning
- TV/video/audio/CDs/DVDs
- Tickets (sports, cinema, concerts, etc.)
- Donations
- Student association: €15
- Other
- Vacation
- House
- Retirement
- Hobbies/gifts
- Other
- Total: €2,250
Other expenses:
- Alimony?
- Loans?
- €250 for the land.
- Other?
- Anything forgotten? Please add here!
- Total income: €6,024
- Total expenses: €3,769
- Balance: €2,255 (saved).
- Including cold rent and optional savings (e.g., savings rate for the house).
General information about the property:
- How large is the plot?
- 1,447 sqm (15,575 sq ft)
- What are its dimensions?
- 20 m (66 ft) road frontage x 72 m (236 ft)
- What is the land value?
- €120 per sqm
- New build, renovation / year built, house type?
- New build – L-shaped bungalow (we are still very early in planning)
- Garages?
- Depends on the budget.
- How big should the house be? (living area / usable area)
- About 140 sqm (1,507 sq ft)
- What is the market value of the land and house after completion?
- Land approx. €200,000 + house €350,000 = €550,000
- Land cost:
- Current outstanding debt €42,000
- Development costs
- Plot is fully developed.
- Acquisition incidental costs (notary, court, property transfer tax, realtor)
- Building or purchase costs (including architect, structural engineer):
- €300,000 budgeted.
- Renovation or restoration costs
- Additional building costs (e.g., utility connections, soil expert, construction electricity, etc.)
- Planned: €50,000
- Outdoor facilities/terrace, paths, landscaping, fences, etc.
- Depends on the total costs.
- Financing costs (fees or commitment interest)
- Total costs
- Remaining debt on the land + new build: Planned financing amount: €400,000
- Kitchen costs
- €10,000
- Furniture, lamps, decoration
- Mostly furniture will be kept and replaced gradually.
- Other "non-acquisition, incidental acquisition, construction, or additional building costs"
- Total costs:
- €400,000
- Deductible equity
- €0 (will be used for clearing the plot; €25,000).
- Financing amount
- €400,000
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pagoni202028 Aug 2020 12:22Ybias78 schrieb:
I just assume on this forum that no matter what offer you post, it will be picked apart. You can’t please everyone. The most important thing is that we are satisfied and feel good about it. @Ybias78 I don’t see it as anyone trying to pick apart your posts. I think people just want to make you aware of these things so you pay close attention. You now have a good overall feeling, and you’ll proceed with this provider. They are not trying to deceive you, but it still makes sense to know these small details and not rely solely on such descriptions.
Happy weekend –
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pagoni202028 Aug 2020 12:28PyneBite schrieb:
You just want every little detail to be confirmed by the forum. You come across as anxious and nervous. … which isn’t wrong at all, and no one has to read or even reply if they don’t want to.
It’s better for someone to admit uncertainty than to pretend to know when they are completely clueless. There are plenty of those around the world, and I find that much more dangerous.
Ybias78 schrieb:
It’s not about keeping the money. It’s about investing the money elsewhere in the house, for example, upgrading materials.I understood that already. However, you specify your financing application with intended use descriptions that form part of the basis for the loan approval decision. By doing so, you commit to creating the loan collateral value in the manner described. What you are describing provides grounds for immediate termination due to the loss of the contractual basis in the described form as well as for a serious breach of trust, and in my opinion, also constitutes fraud combined with document falsification. You cannot unilaterally dispose of the funds; the loan application outlines a joint project: “the use of the bank’s money for the construction of a specific collateral property.” You must not act against good faith in this regard. Ybias78 schrieb:
But if I only submit the general contractor’s quote, then some items are missing that can only be priced after finalizing selections. Maybe I’m mistaken.You definitely are. Because nobody—even a bank employee, not even from the local savings bank—would seriously estimate unknown amounts as zero. Realistic estimates belong there. Buffers are needed for other things, namely unexpected price increases (for example, if the tiling trades union negotiates an eight percent wage increase). But I don’t see any sudden additional need on your part for, say, gold plating the outdoor faucet, or what kind of worst-case scenario are you expecting with your final selections? K1300S schrieb:
Above all, people expect a quick contract conclusion since, very often, the key deciding factor among several offers is simply the number “at the bottom right.”That would mean a provider would trade off price-sensitive customers’ loyalty just to win them more easily by price, and those customers certainly won’t recommend them to their friends. The reputation such a provider can earn with this clientele depends largely on the accuracy of the “number at the bottom right.” Only a big name with a large marketing department can afford that this figure is “as fake as a printed lie,” since such marketing capacity is an essential condition for the survival of a brand using the “burn and run” sales method. The construction company Jupp Schmitz & Son from the neighboring town cannot operate like that, otherwise it would never have become “& Son.” OWLer schrieb:
I wouldn’t settle for a 35°C (95°F) supply temperature. Ask them to offer 30°C (86°F)!Far from heating installation being my specialty, I get the impression it is not the preferred general contractor’s specialty either. That’s why I already recommended to the original poster (via private message) to consider subcontracting this trade. A good general contractor doesn’t have to be a universal jack-of-all-trades, and everyone probably has their weak spots.https://www.instagram.com/11antgmxde/
https://www.linkedin.com/company/bauen-jetzt/
Ybias78 schrieb:
Sure. But at what height? I’m going to add a buffer for that.You only know that after the final selection process. Estimating an amount beforehand can easily go wrong.
No, there is a reliable basis here from which all wall and floor surface areas can be calculated, and a brochure from Bauhaus, Hornbach, or OBI is usually delivered several times a month in a so-called newspaper. These contain the square meter prices of tiles for publicly insured patients and for privately insured ones, so determining the price difference is not just guesswork.
https://www.instagram.com/11antgmxde/
https://www.linkedin.com/company/bauen-jetzt/
https://www.instagram.com/11antgmxde/
https://www.linkedin.com/company/bauen-jetzt/
OWLer schrieb:
Everyone is entitled to their opinion.
When it comes to comparing the construction specifications, I have clearly shared my thoughts on the points mentioned. I consider them secondary.
What about the electrical plan, such as the number of outlets per room, network connections, lighting, outdoor sockets, underground cables, etc.?
What standards are being used for the plumbing fixtures, and have you actually seen them in person? Has a comparison been made with the required specifications?
I would pay significantly more attention to these issues than to the foundation slab in waterproof concrete, or whether someone is walking through the house for the final inspection with a thermal imaging camera, which usually doesn’t result in any changes because the exterior plaster is already applied. With other general contractors, the foundation slab will also be structurally sound, and water will not push through the floor into the house.
Note: I wouldn’t settle for a flow temperature of 35°C (95°F). Make sure to negotiate for 30°C (86°F)!It does say something about 28/35 degrees. I still need to clarify that.