Hello everyone,
I hope this is the right forum for this question
At the beginning of the year, we purchased a newly built apartment in Mannheim, and the following plan was presented to us in the purchase contract.
After the shell construction was completed, pipes were installed through the two marked areas without any prior information, taking up about 20cm by 20cm (8 inches by 8 inches) of space in total. See photos.
This affects the bedroom and one of the children's rooms.
This not only creates an uneven appearance in the rooms but also leads to high cancellation fees for the bedroom and children’s room furniture, which we had already ordered based on the floor plan.
My questions on this matter are:
1. Is it common in new construction to run pipes through living areas?
2. Should the builder have informed us beforehand?
3. Can the builder be held responsible for the cancellation fees?
4. Is a purchase price reduction possible?
5. Would it be advisable to consult a lawyer?
Thank you.
I hope this is the right forum for this question
At the beginning of the year, we purchased a newly built apartment in Mannheim, and the following plan was presented to us in the purchase contract.
After the shell construction was completed, pipes were installed through the two marked areas without any prior information, taking up about 20cm by 20cm (8 inches by 8 inches) of space in total. See photos.
This affects the bedroom and one of the children's rooms.
This not only creates an uneven appearance in the rooms but also leads to high cancellation fees for the bedroom and children’s room furniture, which we had already ordered based on the floor plan.
My questions on this matter are:
1. Is it common in new construction to run pipes through living areas?
2. Should the builder have informed us beforehand?
3. Can the builder be held responsible for the cancellation fees?
4. Is a purchase price reduction possible?
5. Would it be advisable to consult a lawyer?
Thank you.
Tassimat schrieb:
Okay, then the change doesn’t seem to be that significant for you after all.
But I wouldn’t accept that so quickly. You should definitely check how loud it is when the wastewater flows through. Test it live on site. It is really frustrating; I just wanted to hear what experts or people familiar with this topic have to say. I will definitely test it next time I am at the construction site.
Scout schrieb:
Ask the builder where they stand on this. I would consider the red area as the minimum for bedrooms—if not, you should speak up right now.
I will do that, thank you very much!
Klärbär schrieb:
After the shell of the building was completed, pipes were simply installed through the two marked spots without any further information, taking up about 20cm by 20cm (8 inches by 8 inches) of space in total. Of course. You could have asked where the pipes would go. But the fact that in 2020 the toilet is no longer outside in the yard, and the fresh water tap is no longer a hand pump on the street, plus electric lighting instead of carbide lamps—this really should not require individual explanation!
Any reasonable lawyer would not try to profit from your lack of real-world understanding. Of course, this has no chance, no matter how well the magistrate had breakfast. People, honestly, tsk, tsk. *scratches head*
And anyone who orders custom furniture based on a shell construction plan also rounds numbers and spells "nämlich" with an "h" after the "ä." Honestly: aua!
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Well, come on, I don’t think that’s so obvious.
This isn’t about the 2-3cm (1 inch) of plaster that people often forget to subtract from the shell dimensions, but about 20-25cm (8-10 inches)! I can definitely understand that having unexpected pipes from other units running through your own apartment is very surprising.
On the other hand, the plan is also missing the own pipes and lines, which should have been noticed during the planning of the bathrooms.
This isn’t about the 2-3cm (1 inch) of plaster that people often forget to subtract from the shell dimensions, but about 20-25cm (8-10 inches)! I can definitely understand that having unexpected pipes from other units running through your own apartment is very surprising.
On the other hand, the plan is also missing the own pipes and lines, which should have been noticed during the planning of the bathrooms.
11ant schrieb:
Of course. You could have asked where the pipes would go. But in 2020, having the toilet still outside in the yard and the fresh water tap as a hand pump on the street, plus electric lighting instead of carbide lamps—that really shouldn’t require any special explanation!
No decent lawyer would try to take advantage of your naivety. Obviously, that has no chance, no matter how well the magistrate has had breakfast. Some people, huh, huh. *scratches head*
And anyone who orders custom furniture based on a shell construction plan also shortens sums and spells "nämlich" with an “h” after the “ä.” Honestly: how horrible! Luckily, experts like you exist.
Unfortunately, ignorance is no excuse, so I’ll have to pay my dues.
I can understand why you’re upset. As a layperson, you wouldn’t expect that shafts would be installed somewhere. Unfortunately, developers often include phrases in contracts like “floor plan not binding” or, as you already mentioned, “minor changes possible,” so you probably have little chance of getting the cancellation fees refunded by the developer. Does this really have such a major impact on the planned furniture layout?
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