ᐅ Single-family house – flat roof – edge of forest location – 175 sqm
Created on: 16 Feb 2019 22:03
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benediktr
After being a silent reader in this forum for a long time, I would now like to share my thoughts and ideas with you. I hope to receive some suggestions for improvement and constructive feedback.
Unfortunately, I cannot provide a site plan at the moment. Therefore, here is a screenshot of the property. I have roughly traced it on the ground floor plan. The exact orientation definitely needs further planning. It is plot number 51.
Below, I try to outline the essentials in the questionnaire.
Development plan/restrictions
Section 34 of the Building Code
Plot size
580 sqm (6,243 sq ft)
Slope
No direct slope; terrain descends about 3 m (10 ft) from north to south and roughly 3 m (10 ft) from west to east; retaining wall to the south present
Building setbacks
North/East/South – 3 m (10 ft), West – 6 m (20 ft)
Number of parking spaces
1-2
Number of floors
2 full stories plus basement
Roof type
Flat roof
Architectural style
Modern
Orientation
Southwest
Maximum heights/limits
-
Other specifications
Owners’ requirements
Room layout as shown in the plan; spacious living-dining-kitchen area
Style, roof type, building type
Flat roof
Number of occupants, ages
Currently 2 people, 28 and 26 years old; planning for 1-2 children
Room requirements on ground floor (GF) and upper floor (UF)
GF: living, dining, kitchen, utility room, WC
UF: bathroom, 2 children's rooms, bedroom plus walk-in closet
Office: family use or home office?
Family use
Guest overnight stays per year
Very seldom
Open or closed architecture
Open
Conservative or modern construction
Modern construction
Open kitchen, kitchen island
Yes
Number of dining seats
6
Fireplace
Corner fireplace
Music/stereo wall
No
Additional wishes/particularities/daily routine, including reasons for preferences
- Staircase from ground floor to upper floor should start in the dining area and not be visible from the living room
- Living room preferably on the west side, as we both work very long hours
House design
Who did the planning?
Do-it-yourself, using various floor plans as templates
What do you particularly like? Why?
Straight staircase, layout of living, dining, and kitchen areas, corner fireplace
What do you not like? Why?
I am unsure if the rooms upstairs might be a bit too narrow due to the straight staircase. This could be improved with a landing staircase, but that is just a minor point to accept.
Estimated cost according to architect/planner:
Personal budget limit for the house including fittings:
450,000
Preferred heating technology:
Gas condensing boiler, possibly with a water jacket in the fireplace
If you have to give up something, what details/features
- can you forgo? Partition separating the WC in the bathroom
- cannot you do without? Walk-in closet
Why did the design become what it is now?
Room orientation on the plot guided the design based on our wishes. View to the west, looking over forest and fields. Access from the north to avoid an outdoor staircase.
What do you think are its strengths or weaknesses?
We would prefer to avoid floor-to-ceiling windows on the south side, as the neighbor’s front door is there, which is not ideal for brightness. Large window fronts on the west side due to the view, as mentioned. A window in the walk-in closet could still be planned.
What is the most important/fundamental question about the floor plan, summarized in 130 characters?
Do you think the upper floor rooms might feel "narrow and elongated"? Budget?
Unfortunately, I cannot provide a site plan at the moment. Therefore, here is a screenshot of the property. I have roughly traced it on the ground floor plan. The exact orientation definitely needs further planning. It is plot number 51.
Below, I try to outline the essentials in the questionnaire.
Development plan/restrictions
Section 34 of the Building Code
Plot size
580 sqm (6,243 sq ft)
Slope
No direct slope; terrain descends about 3 m (10 ft) from north to south and roughly 3 m (10 ft) from west to east; retaining wall to the south present
Building setbacks
North/East/South – 3 m (10 ft), West – 6 m (20 ft)
Number of parking spaces
1-2
Number of floors
2 full stories plus basement
Roof type
Flat roof
Architectural style
Modern
Orientation
Southwest
Maximum heights/limits
-
Other specifications
Owners’ requirements
Room layout as shown in the plan; spacious living-dining-kitchen area
Style, roof type, building type
Flat roof
Number of occupants, ages
Currently 2 people, 28 and 26 years old; planning for 1-2 children
Room requirements on ground floor (GF) and upper floor (UF)
GF: living, dining, kitchen, utility room, WC
UF: bathroom, 2 children's rooms, bedroom plus walk-in closet
Office: family use or home office?
Family use
Guest overnight stays per year
Very seldom
Open or closed architecture
Open
Conservative or modern construction
Modern construction
Open kitchen, kitchen island
Yes
Number of dining seats
6
Fireplace
Corner fireplace
Music/stereo wall
No
Additional wishes/particularities/daily routine, including reasons for preferences
- Staircase from ground floor to upper floor should start in the dining area and not be visible from the living room
- Living room preferably on the west side, as we both work very long hours
House design
Who did the planning?
Do-it-yourself, using various floor plans as templates
What do you particularly like? Why?
Straight staircase, layout of living, dining, and kitchen areas, corner fireplace
What do you not like? Why?
I am unsure if the rooms upstairs might be a bit too narrow due to the straight staircase. This could be improved with a landing staircase, but that is just a minor point to accept.
Estimated cost according to architect/planner:
Personal budget limit for the house including fittings:
450,000
Preferred heating technology:
Gas condensing boiler, possibly with a water jacket in the fireplace
If you have to give up something, what details/features
- can you forgo? Partition separating the WC in the bathroom
- cannot you do without? Walk-in closet
Why did the design become what it is now?
Room orientation on the plot guided the design based on our wishes. View to the west, looking over forest and fields. Access from the north to avoid an outdoor staircase.
What do you think are its strengths or weaknesses?
We would prefer to avoid floor-to-ceiling windows on the south side, as the neighbor’s front door is there, which is not ideal for brightness. Large window fronts on the west side due to the view, as mentioned. A window in the walk-in closet could still be planned.
What is the most important/fundamental question about the floor plan, summarized in 130 characters?
Do you think the upper floor rooms might feel "narrow and elongated"? Budget?
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benediktr2 Apr 2020 18:4811ant schrieb:
I don’t see an advantage in a larger frame depth. I would choose the 320 here; the 410 looks less suitable visually (for that, the house would have to have a classic neo-Bauhaus style—with a flat roof, no eaves, and no accent features). The 410 looks almost harsh in contrast. The 320/520 looks great because, from the outside, the seal basically acts as the sash frame. The difference between 520 and 320 is the even more consistent flush alignment on the inside (only concerning the window/jamb connection, which is really only effective with wide bands of coupled elements). I don’t know the exact price difference, but the last percent in design is usually the most expensive. So far, I’ve only received an offer for the KF 410, which slightly exceeds our budget. The window manufacturer is currently estimating the 320, saying it might be somewhat cheaper. I’m not very familiar with frame depths; I just had a feeling that a thicker frame might be more solid. Do you see any disadvantages with the concealed sash technology?
We also have another offer for a Gealan Kubus, which also features this concealed sash but without a cover shell. It is priced similarly to the plastic/aluminum option from Internorm.
As mentioned before, I also find the 320 style more fitting here – so it’s not a big deal if the price applies to that as well.
The greater installation depth here is not a feature but simply a consequence of a different construction. I don’t suspect it to be less rigid. No disadvantages, except for the higher price for what is essentially just a visual advantage.
And in my view, it is of the same quality class. I like Gealan as well – partly because I appreciate the integrated coloring instead of the usual foil coating (which is a smart alternative to the cover shell). Compare the Kubus and the 320 in person to see if the edges look just as smoothly finished live as they do in the catalog pictures.
https://www.instagram.com/11antgmxde/
https://www.linkedin.com/company/bauen-jetzt/
benediktr schrieb:
I’m not very familiar with installation depths, it was just a gut feeling that a deeper frame is more solid?! Do you see any disadvantages with the technology of fully concealed sashes?
The greater installation depth here is not a feature but simply a consequence of a different construction. I don’t suspect it to be less rigid. No disadvantages, except for the higher price for what is essentially just a visual advantage.
benediktr schrieb:
We also have another offer for a Gealan Kubus, which also has this concealed sash but without a cover shell. It is priced the same as the plastic/aluminum version from Internorm.
And in my view, it is of the same quality class. I like Gealan as well – partly because I appreciate the integrated coloring instead of the usual foil coating (which is a smart alternative to the cover shell). Compare the Kubus and the 320 in person to see if the edges look just as smoothly finished live as they do in the catalog pictures.
https://www.instagram.com/11antgmxde/
https://www.linkedin.com/company/bauen-jetzt/
benediktr schrieb:
So far, I only have a quote for the KF 410, which slightly exceeds our budget. The window manufacturer is currently calculating the 320 model, mentioning that it might be somewhat cheaper. I’m not very familiar with the frame depths; I just had the feeling that a thicker frame is more solid?! Do you see any disadvantages with the technology of fully concealed sashes?
We also have another quote for a Gealan Kubus, which also has this concealed sash but without an outer shell. It’s priced the same as the plastic/aluminum from Internorm. May I ask which sound insulation rating was offered to you?
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benediktr4 Apr 2020 15:11Baufie schrieb:
May I ask which sound insulation value was offered to you?The Gealan Kubus was offered with a sound insulation rating of 39 dB, and the KF 410 with 34 dB. We are still waiting for the offer for the 320 model, but I can provide it as soon as I have it.
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benediktr4 Apr 2020 19:33kbt09 schrieb:
Have the staircase and the overlap on the upper floor precisely drawn.
Make sure the door to the walk-in closet on the lower side of the plan leaves at least 70cm (28 inches) of clearance.
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Hey kbt09. The clear passage dimension is 198.00cm (78 inches). This was a major topic during the planning phase. I am aware that DIN requires 2.00m (6 feet 7 inches). <br />
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