Hello everyone,
There is a thread about the company KD Canopies. In that thread, the low costs are often praised. On their website, you can see indicative prices of several thousand euros, for example, just under 3,000 EUR for a 300 x 400 cm (10 x 13 ft) canopy.
Now I noticed on a well-known coupon site that has also been selling all kinds of miscellaneous items for some time, a terrace canopy "Melanie" for 800 EUR.
You don’t need to talk me out of it right now, since a terrace canopy won’t be an issue for me until at least next year. But could you please tell me what the disadvantages are and calmly explain with facts the differences that lead to such a significant price gap?
By the way, they also offer an aluminum carport for 880 EUR...
Thanks and regards
Tolentino
There is a thread about the company KD Canopies. In that thread, the low costs are often praised. On their website, you can see indicative prices of several thousand euros, for example, just under 3,000 EUR for a 300 x 400 cm (10 x 13 ft) canopy.
Now I noticed on a well-known coupon site that has also been selling all kinds of miscellaneous items for some time, a terrace canopy "Melanie" for 800 EUR.
You don’t need to talk me out of it right now, since a terrace canopy won’t be an issue for me until at least next year. But could you please tell me what the disadvantages are and calmly explain with facts the differences that lead to such a significant price gap?
By the way, they also offer an aluminum carport for 880 EUR...
Thanks and regards
Tolentino
Maybe as something to think about:
When I want to buy something, my first question is: do I really need it?
If the answer is yes, then I consider how often I will use the item.
Using tools as an example to illustrate this:
I need a cordless drill quite often. Mine is a Makita. I only use a jigsaw very rarely, so I have a cheap no-name brand for that. I’m not a professional tradesperson who needs the tools daily, so I don’t need a professional-grade line.
Back to the patio roof:
We struggled a lot with the decision because it was a significant financial investment for us too.
It’s something that is exposed to the weather daily, is supposed to look good for a long time, and must withstand wind and snow loads, etc. You don’t need a luxury model, but in my opinion, it should at least be a good mid-range product.
Walk through older residential areas built in the 1990s and early 2000s and look at the conservatories and patio covers. You can see how shabby some of them look after 15 to 20 years.
For example, I ruled out multiwall polycarbonate sheets because of the noise level and the way they reduce light in the darker months.
We also had the problem that sometimes we couldn’t sit on our terrace in the evenings because the sun was so low in the west that a normal parasol or awning was ineffective. Roughly speaking, we were quoted between €13,000 and €15,000 (about $13,000–$15,000) at the trade fair.
So, we spent three years with a temporary solution using a simple parasol and later installed a patio roof with an additional vertical awning.
For us, that was a manageable timeframe.
Of course, if I couldn’t use the terrace properly for over 10 years because of excessive sunlight, I would probably have gone for a cheaper model at first.
And now some general considerations:
In summer, we keep the awning under the roof extended all the time. This prevents the patio slabs and the living room behind them from heating up too much. That’s the area where I could most easily do without electrification. You could likely achieve shading on top cheaply with fabric covers. Whether shading is strictly necessary with multiwall polycarbonate sheets, I can’t say.
We use the vertical awning quite often, depending on the sun’s position. This, however, depends on the property and the orientation of the terrace.
One more thing about size: because our terrace faces west and depending on the wind strength, rain and snow get blown quite far inside.
I’m very glad we chose a 4-meter (13 feet) depth. Three meters (10 feet) might just work on the east side.
Even the 4-meter (13 feet) width isn’t generous. We don’t have many things on the terrace apart from a cushion box, grill, and a table with six chairs, and yet 6 meters (20 feet) wide doesn’t feel spacious.
When I want to buy something, my first question is: do I really need it?
If the answer is yes, then I consider how often I will use the item.
Using tools as an example to illustrate this:
I need a cordless drill quite often. Mine is a Makita. I only use a jigsaw very rarely, so I have a cheap no-name brand for that. I’m not a professional tradesperson who needs the tools daily, so I don’t need a professional-grade line.
Back to the patio roof:
We struggled a lot with the decision because it was a significant financial investment for us too.
It’s something that is exposed to the weather daily, is supposed to look good for a long time, and must withstand wind and snow loads, etc. You don’t need a luxury model, but in my opinion, it should at least be a good mid-range product.
Walk through older residential areas built in the 1990s and early 2000s and look at the conservatories and patio covers. You can see how shabby some of them look after 15 to 20 years.
For example, I ruled out multiwall polycarbonate sheets because of the noise level and the way they reduce light in the darker months.
We also had the problem that sometimes we couldn’t sit on our terrace in the evenings because the sun was so low in the west that a normal parasol or awning was ineffective. Roughly speaking, we were quoted between €13,000 and €15,000 (about $13,000–$15,000) at the trade fair.
So, we spent three years with a temporary solution using a simple parasol and later installed a patio roof with an additional vertical awning.
For us, that was a manageable timeframe.
Of course, if I couldn’t use the terrace properly for over 10 years because of excessive sunlight, I would probably have gone for a cheaper model at first.
And now some general considerations:
In summer, we keep the awning under the roof extended all the time. This prevents the patio slabs and the living room behind them from heating up too much. That’s the area where I could most easily do without electrification. You could likely achieve shading on top cheaply with fabric covers. Whether shading is strictly necessary with multiwall polycarbonate sheets, I can’t say.
We use the vertical awning quite often, depending on the sun’s position. This, however, depends on the property and the orientation of the terrace.
One more thing about size: because our terrace faces west and depending on the wind strength, rain and snow get blown quite far inside.
I’m very glad we chose a 4-meter (13 feet) depth. Three meters (10 feet) might just work on the east side.
Even the 4-meter (13 feet) width isn’t generous. We don’t have many things on the terrace apart from a cushion box, grill, and a table with six chairs, and yet 6 meters (20 feet) wide doesn’t feel spacious.
I hope I don’t come across as too grumpy, though that’s how I read myself.
That shouldn’t be the case.
it’s just a bit frustrating when the arguments don’t seem to get through at all.
As I said before: I owned that cheap thing myself as a pavilion, and this is not meant as a derogatory remark directed at you, but rather the pavilion itself. It simply bent in the storm and even broke the plaster.
And when you no longer want to keep replacing things all the time due to age, or deal with constant problems, or even consider the environment and waste, then you buy something of quality. We had spent 30 years saving everywhere, so eventually you want to stop compromising. We got several quotes and chose the cheapest option. There was also an offer twice as expensive. Your example is only a tenth of that...
I actually like the Dacia. I would buy it just based on how it looks from the outside.
But when you open the door, you are met with all the cheap plastic. I can’t comment on the technology, but the interior looks quite cheap. Still, it will work.
Another example: camera. I’m in the semi-professional price range, with several thousand euros for equipment. Others take photos with a 100€ camera, the next person is thrilled to use just their phone, happy not to have to carry an extra camera. If I talk about quality, they won’t understand because their phone delivers the photos they want.
So: buy what you want. To repeat myself: the differences are listed on the first page. You just have to switch on your receiver.
I don’t mean this in a grumpy way or anything... eventually, you will also see the difference between a garden pavilion and a patio roof that can be extended as an unheated conservatory.
That shouldn’t be the case.
Tolentino schrieb:
You don’t always have to take this kind of questioning so personally,
it’s just a bit frustrating when the arguments don’t seem to get through at all.
Tolentino schrieb:
Many people spend a lot of money because they believe they are buying better performance, but in fact, this is often not the case, or the extra performance is much less than generally assumed. This is, of course, if you exclude improvements related to status or prestige.
For example, in audio electronics, clothing, cars, luxury goods (I can taste a difference between a 60 and a 250 EUR whisky, but it would never be worth 190 EUR to me).
As I said before: I owned that cheap thing myself as a pavilion, and this is not meant as a derogatory remark directed at you, but rather the pavilion itself. It simply bent in the storm and even broke the plaster.
And when you no longer want to keep replacing things all the time due to age, or deal with constant problems, or even consider the environment and waste, then you buy something of quality. We had spent 30 years saving everywhere, so eventually you want to stop compromising. We got several quotes and chose the cheapest option. There was also an offer twice as expensive. Your example is only a tenth of that...
Tolentino schrieb:
The question is, am I comparing a DACIA with a BMW or a Maserati here?
I actually like the Dacia. I would buy it just based on how it looks from the outside.
But when you open the door, you are met with all the cheap plastic. I can’t comment on the technology, but the interior looks quite cheap. Still, it will work.
Another example: camera. I’m in the semi-professional price range, with several thousand euros for equipment. Others take photos with a 100€ camera, the next person is thrilled to use just their phone, happy not to have to carry an extra camera. If I talk about quality, they won’t understand because their phone delivers the photos they want.
So: buy what you want. To repeat myself: the differences are listed on the first page. You just have to switch on your receiver.
I don’t mean this in a grumpy way or anything... eventually, you will also see the difference between a garden pavilion and a patio roof that can be extended as an unheated conservatory.
ypg schrieb:
I hope I don’t come across as too annoyed, even though that’s how I read myself.
That shouldn’t be the case. It’s alright, things often sound more intense in forums or written communication than they are meant to be.
ypg schrieb:
It’s just a bit frustrating when the arguments don’t seem to get through at all. Well, there’s a fine line between arguments and claims.
That …
ypg schrieb:
as I said: I personally had that cheap shelter as a gazebo, for example, didn’t come across to me at all. If I had understood that you were speaking from experience, I would have taken your points more seriously from the start.
ypg schrieb:
Buy what YOU want, I’ll say it again: the differences are listed on the first page. You just have to switch on your receiver. I do that anyway, but I’m always happy to be informed, and my receiver is on — unfortunately it sometimes picks up interference, so it can be difficult to understand the essential information.
Camera is a good example! True!
Best regards
Tolentino
In addition to what was mentioned, you should be aware that the €3,000 with KD or other manufacturers represents the bare minimum basic equipment.
The base model from KD might be comparable to the entry-level model of a VW Golf (probably more like a Polo for €14,000, but let’s just take the Golf as an example). The list price is €21,000 minus 20% discount, so €16,800.
The base model is probably not bought by anyone, but it is theoretically available to keep the entry price low.
The price of your model would be just over 25% of that, so roughly €4,400.
You won’t find a Dacia Sandero with basic equipment for that price.
The big difference would personally discourage me somewhat.
The base model from KD might be comparable to the entry-level model of a VW Golf (probably more like a Polo for €14,000, but let’s just take the Golf as an example). The list price is €21,000 minus 20% discount, so €16,800.
The base model is probably not bought by anyone, but it is theoretically available to keep the entry price low.
The price of your model would be just over 25% of that, so roughly €4,400.
You won’t find a Dacia Sandero with basic equipment for that price.
The big difference would personally discourage me somewhat.
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