ᐅ Prefabricated House Expert – A Worthwhile Investment or a Waste of Money?
Created on: 25 Sep 2019 11:29
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Hitokiri-666
Hello everyone,
Is it worth hiring a prefab house expert?
We are still at the very beginning of our home building plans. If we’re lucky and secure a plot in our town, we want to build a single-family house (about 140–160 square meters (1506–1722 square feet) of living space, with a basement) on it if possible.
We have already decided that we want to build a prefab house.
Last weekend, we had two consultation appointments at the Poing building center. A certain Tobias Beuler, who presents himself as an expert on prefab houses and writes many different contributions on the subject, offers his services for contract negotiation, construction supervision, supplier selection, etc. (for a fee, of course).
Has anyone had experience with this gentleman, positive or negative? Does it make sense for a layperson to have such an expert at their side, or is it unnecessary wasted money, considering that over time you can acquire the expert knowledge yourself?
Thanks in advance!
Is it worth hiring a prefab house expert?
We are still at the very beginning of our home building plans. If we’re lucky and secure a plot in our town, we want to build a single-family house (about 140–160 square meters (1506–1722 square feet) of living space, with a basement) on it if possible.
We have already decided that we want to build a prefab house.
Last weekend, we had two consultation appointments at the Poing building center. A certain Tobias Beuler, who presents himself as an expert on prefab houses and writes many different contributions on the subject, offers his services for contract negotiation, construction supervision, supplier selection, etc. (for a fee, of course).
Has anyone had experience with this gentleman, positive or negative? Does it make sense for a layperson to have such an expert at their side, or is it unnecessary wasted money, considering that over time you can acquire the expert knowledge yourself?
Thanks in advance!
The issue with land prices is, of course, very frustrating, and perhaps as a group of potential land buyers, something can still be done about it, although I’m not very optimistic about that.
Putting that aside, you seem to be reacting quite sensitively here. You have been pointed out several times regarding misunderstandings or incorrect assumptions, and your responses tend to be rather defensive. Try not to take it too personally, even if some of the wording here may not be the most polite.
Putting that aside, you seem to be reacting quite sensitively here. You have been pointed out several times regarding misunderstandings or incorrect assumptions, and your responses tend to be rather defensive. Try not to take it too personally, even if some of the wording here may not be the most polite.
I have reread almost everything, including the first post
Exactly, that’s how it is: you even say it yourself, but then you come up with statements like
Your children’s happiness depends on other factors. For them, having a house is irrelevant. That’s what I mean by pessimism.
A developer builds your house – often as a prefab building as well – and the construction manager works for that company and supervises the site (both for solid construction and prefab construction).
Nobody is attacking you because you are new. People respond when they notice the original poster expresses opinions without argument, changes their username without comment, and intermittently complains that their dream of providing happiness for their children is completely shattered because the whole project is no longer affordable.
As if we are responsible for that.
Honestly, I don’t recall where you said you planned to do a lot of the work yourself. The general impression was that you have little time because “one” is working and busy.
Also, it doesn’t go down well to accuse respondents of not paying attention, especially when they are replying only to you.
See above. Nobody here is accusing you. Somehow, you seem to interpret everything as “people don’t want what’s best for me.”
You should let that go. Nobody is doing anything to you. On the contrary, you are receiving answers.
It seems you are blaming others for you not being able to do what you want, and now those you blame include us because we are involved through this forum in your problem. Think about that and read the thread through from start to finish.
Hitokiri-666 schrieb:
but when someone speaks so vehemently and only negatively about a topic, even as a layperson, it sets off alarm bells for me. Nothing is purely negative or purely positive.
Exactly, that’s how it is: you even say it yourself, but then you come up with statements like
Hitokiri-1978 schrieb:
and our house project got bombed and destroyed because of that damn BRW.
Hitokiri-1978 schrieb:
we just wanted to build a nice future for ourselves and our children) but apparently that’s not going to happen.
Your children’s happiness depends on other factors. For them, having a house is irrelevant. That’s what I mean by pessimism.
Hitokiri-1978 schrieb:
What you describe I actually see as a disadvantage in solid construction. Either you hire a construction manager/developer or someone who supervises the work to protect your interests, which would be very expensive, or you don’t, and then people will walk all over you, do some tasks incorrectly or not at all, and you’ll have many unnecessary, time-consuming arguments that only cost more.
A developer builds your house – often as a prefab building as well – and the construction manager works for that company and supervises the site (both for solid construction and prefab construction).
Hitokiri-1978 schrieb:
But it’s also easy to shoot at someone who is new here.
Nobody is attacking you because you are new. People respond when they notice the original poster expresses opinions without argument, changes their username without comment, and intermittently complains that their dream of providing happiness for their children is completely shattered because the whole project is no longer affordable.
As if we are responsible for that.
Hitokiri-1978 schrieb:
If you had read carefully instead of accusing me with unhelpful comments, you would have learned that we plan to do a lot of the work ourselves (hanging doors,
Honestly, I don’t recall where you said you planned to do a lot of the work yourself. The general impression was that you have little time because “one” is working and busy.
Also, it doesn’t go down well to accuse respondents of not paying attention, especially when they are replying only to you.
Hitokiri-1978 schrieb:
I don’t understand why almost everyone here (with a few exceptions) is aggressively attacking me even though I’m new to this topic and just seeking help, but instead of that I get reprimands, accusations, and biased comments. Is this the usual "welcome"?
See above. Nobody here is accusing you. Somehow, you seem to interpret everything as “people don’t want what’s best for me.”
You should let that go. Nobody is doing anything to you. On the contrary, you are receiving answers.
It seems you are blaming others for you not being able to do what you want, and now those you blame include us because we are involved through this forum in your problem. Think about that and read the thread through from start to finish.
Hitokiri-1978 schrieb:
That there will be three new residential development areas under the local resident model. For all three, there is a zoning plan as well as the price per square meter and the corresponding discount. These values have been officially published by the municipality on their website. And were these prices indexed to the land value standard at the date of sale? It was obvious that the latter would increase when, after decades of a stagnant local market, three development areas are released, wasn’t it?
The purpose of the local resident model is to allocate building land preferentially to people who have a loyalty to the place and its development. But purely from a budgetary perspective, this cannot mean that the municipality evaluates the value of its land with excessive subsidies. On the other hand, I also don’t see the municipality being obliged to follow an increase of this magnitude.
So where do you get the strong belief that the official land value standard directly led to such a steep rise in your actual plot prices?
That would undermine the purpose of such a residential development under the local resident model: it assumes people with average incomes, who in no sector would experience seventy percent wage increases between two collective bargaining rounds.
Also, developer offers in the region won’t skyrocket that much: for investment flats maybe, or even tending that way, but the family home still targets families with two adults (not five earners), and the standard (in terms of house type and fittings) aims at a specific buyer group – you can’t suddenly put a skilled worker’s house on the market at a chief physician’s price, or it wouldn’t sell anymore. No seller sets unrealistic prices.
I think you have misunderstood the function of the land value standard. It cannot serve as a binding price index.
Hitokiri-1978 schrieb:
After all, we just want to buy them a tiny plot (360 sqm (3900 sq ft)) for 220,000 euros... practically a gift. Almost two years ago, I could have offered you a plot of this size at the foot of the Westerwald (residential zone, approximately WR, I, plot ratio 0.4) for 88,200 euros. As a backland plot in a village where “local resident model” means: an outsider may also buy the land, but only the fourth generation buyer would be greeted by the baker, and they wouldn't even need to run for church council election.
https://www.instagram.com/11antgmxde/
https://www.linkedin.com/company/bauen-jetzt/
Hitokiri-1978 schrieb:
Once again, our local municipality announced in the spring that there will be three new residential development areas under the local resident model. For all three, there is a zoning plan as well as the price per square meter and the corresponding discount. These figures were officially documented by the municipality on their website through publications.
...that now the price per sqm is suddenly over 70% more expensive So, it’s actually the other way around. Unfortunately, that wasn’t clearly communicated.
It’s really intense over there. But probably everything will still be sold.
Here, prices have gradually risen from 55 euros to 115 euros per square meter (approximately 5.1 to 10.7 USD per square foot) over the last four years. I paid 16.40 euros per sqm (about 1.5 USD per square foot) back in 2013. :P
Hitokiri-1978 schrieb:
We belong to the district of Freising.It is indeed as described frustrating and somewhat "crazy." One reason why we are now moving back from Freising to the Upper Palatinate. Since we grew up there, it will be an easier transition...
In Freising, only the plot or the house would have been possible.
dab_dab schrieb:
Since we grew up there, we have it easy...No local housing model, or has your previous residency not yet expired?https://www.instagram.com/11antgmxde/
https://www.linkedin.com/company/bauen-jetzt/