How would you see this?
A property (standard house) was sold by the developer to an investor 10 years ago. The house had various tenants over time. No investments were made, so significant wear and tear is visible, and investments are currently needed and foreseeable. The garden is also not landscaped. Prices for comparable new-build properties appear to have increased by about 30% (not in a major city, but in a sought-after area with limited supply). For a comparable new build (compared to the property’s original condition), the price today is around 400,000. What would be your benchmark for the existing property?
A property (standard house) was sold by the developer to an investor 10 years ago. The house had various tenants over time. No investments were made, so significant wear and tear is visible, and investments are currently needed and foreseeable. The garden is also not landscaped. Prices for comparable new-build properties appear to have increased by about 30% (not in a major city, but in a sought-after area with limited supply). For a comparable new build (compared to the property’s original condition), the price today is around 400,000. What would be your benchmark for the existing property?
Hmm, yes, exactly, that’s what I mean. The asking price will probably be significantly higher than these 24 annual cold rents (even the current properties cost much more than that, although here they are not built or bought as investment properties in the usual sense, and there aren’t many rental houses like single-family homes). I wonder if I might risk losing capital if we want to move again later. It’s residential space in a convenient location, decent, but I don’t think anyone dreams of this house. It was built with other properties about ten years ago and was initially offered unsuccessfully. But I realize this is difficult to discuss, as there’s probably no law or guarantee. Thanks anyway.
Greenie schrieb:
It would be frustrating if another interested buyer offers 5,000 more than the maximum we set as our limit. Greenie schrieb:
But I don’t think anyone dreams of this house. Then play the game. But don’t be upset afterward.
If you already have other properties, for example through a building transfer (BT), it is easier to accept if you’re not the winner. However, be aware that with a BT price there are usually many additional costs.
You can’t just gamble here; you need to know the entire local market.
In spring: sale of a bungalow built on a leasehold, constructed by the deceased owner using Ytong blocks by himself. The tiling clearly shows the self-build, outside everything is unfinished, no driveway, no garden, no terrace. Energy efficiency is questionable. Impossible floor plan. The kitchen had to be removed due to pest infestation. The builder was over 60 years old (a self-builder over 6 years). It was sold within a week. And don’t believe there was any haggling or bargaining involved.
The value can also be calculated the other way around: land value per square meter * area + €1500/m² (approximately $165 per sq ft) * living area. Additional costs for the basement, garage, and other features can be discussed further, but a 10-year-old property is move-in ready for many people with minimal renovation, so I would estimate €2000/m² (about $220 per sq ft) as a starting point.
What data do you have on your end?
What data do you have on your end?
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nordanney27 Sep 2019 23:10Nordlys schrieb:
For investment properties, it is said that the realistic price equals about 24 times the annual cold rent. That was true back in the last millennium. In reasonable locations (not in major cities, where it can go up to 100 times—for example, Munich) it’s more like 30 to 35 times.
Greenie schrieb:
The asking price will probably be significantly higher than those 24 times the annual cold rent. For single-family houses or condominiums, you can’t really calculate using factors. For example, I have a rented apartment from the 1960s in an average location in the Ruhr area—the factor there is already above 20 times. It doesn’t really say anything.
Greenie schrieb:
I wonder if I’m risking burning capital if we want to move again later. You can only answer that in hindsight. It’s the same with purchase prices as with loan interest rates. You’re always wiser looking back.
You don’t seem to really believe in the house; otherwise, you wouldn’t be worrying so much.
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