ᐅ Request for insulation design proposal for ventilated roof underlay system needed

Created on: 20 Jul 2017 15:13
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kleinerschelm
Hello everyone,

I have the following problem:

I need to insulate my roof from the inside. The current layers from outside to inside are: roof tiles, battens, counter battens, vapor-tight bitumen roofing membrane, wooden sheathing, 2cm (1 inch) ventilation gap (ridge vent and eave vent are present), 160mm (6.3 inches) rolled insulation between rafters with 180mm (7.1 inches) rafters. Rafter spacing is approximately 56cm (22 inches).

Now my question:

Which materials and construction method would you recommend for insulating between the rafters? WARNING: full rafter insulation is not possible due to the vapor-tight underlay with the bitumen roofing membrane (Buzi AK)!

Thanks in advance for your help!
Best regards
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Caspar2020
21 Jul 2017 14:34

For builders and homeowners, the question arises as to whether roof insulation without a vapor retarder is still possible under the new standards. The answer depends on the insulation materials used: Roof insulation without an explicit vapor retarder is an option when capillary-active insulation materials are used, which can independently regulate the moisture balance of the roof.

Roof insulation without a vapor retarder – not yet a general standard
The technical requirements mean that today, a vapor retarder cannot be omitted in roof insulation. In ventilated or vented pitched roofs of previous decades, it was usually integrated into the roof structure via a waterproof, airtight, and vapor-tight bituminous roofing membrane above the roof sheathing. The ventilation on the outside and the insulated interior side ensured reliable removal of any moisture or water vapor that had entered. An interior vapor retarder was only necessary if ventilation was insufficient and/or to provide a greater drying capacity.
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Knallkörper
21 Jul 2017 14:38
Mineral wool is not capillary active.
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Caspar2020
21 Jul 2017 14:49
This section is for new constructions. The bolded part is what the original poster is most likely encountering.
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Knallkörper
21 Jul 2017 18:32
To me, this still doesn't make sense, or rather the bold part does not apply in connection with mineral wool. Ventilation cannot ensure that mineral wool dries safely. It would be different with wood fiber insulation. That’s why, even when renovating, I would only use mineral wool insulation if a vapor barrier is installed on the inside and the installation is verified with measurements (blower door test).
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Caspar2020
21 Jul 2017 19:40
That was the state of the art in the past. Today, it would no longer be built that way; but older pitched roofs were constructed like this as part of the roof structure.

Therefore, the question to the original poster: who said that the current roof is not professionally built and needs to be replaced now?
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kleinerschelm
24 Jul 2017 09:10
@Caspar2020: Thank you very much in advance for your reply. The house has been inspected by an energy consultant (who nowadays must unfortunately be allowed access during any renovation) and two carpenters. What I forgot to mention is that the roof only has a 28° pitch. It was not done professionally in the sense that the insulation alternates between expanded polystyrene (EPS) and roll insulation, partly nailed inside the rafters.

Unfortunately, you are going in the wrong direction. The goal is not to preserve the glass wool, which is no longer available, but rather:

Which materials and assembly would you recommend for an insulation between the rafters? WARNING: Full rafter insulation is not possible due to the vapor-tight underlay with a bituminous roofing membrane (Buzi AK)!