Hello,
I believe I have asked you a similar question before, so please excuse me if I repeat some points. The situation might be becoming more concrete now, so we are starting from the beginning.
We have a plot of land (aAdW), for which there may be a potential buyer (a daylight house from Town & Country seems to be the preference). The plot measures 2765m² (29,742 ft²) and has a very irregular shape. The client only wants part of it – understandably. We would agree to a subdivision as long as at least two relatively equivalent, buildable plots result. The current negotiation price is €29/m², although there is a kind of cellar/pit/foundation that would need to be removed, which naturally lowers the price.
Attached is the site plan (all oriented north). The blue area marks the existing access road. At its end, there are also two garages, but they would probably be demolished anyway, as they look very unattractive. Apart from that, there are no buildings on the site.
Access has only been possible from the street on the south side so far. To the north, it is probably all private property – including the supposed small road (Dorfstr.) that borders the site there. Whether access from that side is possible still needs to be checked. So far, it looks unlikely, partly due to the elevation changes, which brings me to the second map:
The entire northern part is a poorly buildable hollow/slope. It drops steeply—if I’m reading it correctly, about 4m (13 feet) downhill from the village road. It is difficult to access and rather unattractive. The small hill by the street in the south, by contrast, could be easily removed and would probably be leveled.
So far, the only subdivision that comes to mind is this one:
However, the northern hillside area would only be accessible from the north and really only suitable for sheep farmers. My dad suggested a lift might be an option.
If it is added to the middle area, it probably wouldn’t sell. Demand here is rather limited. Dividing the plot lengthwise doesn’t seem effective either in my opinion. A subdivision across the middle is also not very attractive since the northern buyer would then have this corner extending into their property on the west side. But that option might still be possible:
Does anyone have ideas or suggestions? What would you do? In the end, it’s all a matter of price, but we’d rather not give it away. We’d prefer to keep growing the forest there instead.
I believe I have asked you a similar question before, so please excuse me if I repeat some points. The situation might be becoming more concrete now, so we are starting from the beginning.
We have a plot of land (aAdW), for which there may be a potential buyer (a daylight house from Town & Country seems to be the preference). The plot measures 2765m² (29,742 ft²) and has a very irregular shape. The client only wants part of it – understandably. We would agree to a subdivision as long as at least two relatively equivalent, buildable plots result. The current negotiation price is €29/m², although there is a kind of cellar/pit/foundation that would need to be removed, which naturally lowers the price.
Attached is the site plan (all oriented north). The blue area marks the existing access road. At its end, there are also two garages, but they would probably be demolished anyway, as they look very unattractive. Apart from that, there are no buildings on the site.
Access has only been possible from the street on the south side so far. To the north, it is probably all private property – including the supposed small road (Dorfstr.) that borders the site there. Whether access from that side is possible still needs to be checked. So far, it looks unlikely, partly due to the elevation changes, which brings me to the second map:
The entire northern part is a poorly buildable hollow/slope. It drops steeply—if I’m reading it correctly, about 4m (13 feet) downhill from the village road. It is difficult to access and rather unattractive. The small hill by the street in the south, by contrast, could be easily removed and would probably be leveled.
So far, the only subdivision that comes to mind is this one:
However, the northern hillside area would only be accessible from the north and really only suitable for sheep farmers. My dad suggested a lift might be an option.
If it is added to the middle area, it probably wouldn’t sell. Demand here is rather limited. Dividing the plot lengthwise doesn’t seem effective either in my opinion. A subdivision across the middle is also not very attractive since the northern buyer would then have this corner extending into their property on the west side. But that option might still be possible:
Does anyone have ideas or suggestions? What would you do? In the end, it’s all a matter of price, but we’d rather not give it away. We’d prefer to keep growing the forest there instead.
guckuck2 schrieb:
It should include the cream, but with additional costs for surveying and compensation for the devaluation of the remaining land. I'm thinking along the same lines: §1, outside there are only small pots; if someone wants individual cups outside, then §2 applies: perverse costs extra (and these are not to be deducted from the surcharge for cream).
guckuck2 schrieb:
Or he simply buys everything and has to carve it up himself. Given the absolute prices in C- and even less trafficked locations, that could seriously be considered. Then wait for a speculation period; by then the market will be even drier, and the monetization of the surface can serve as a nice special repayment.
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Of course, I have by now found the old thread, https://www.hausbau-forum.de/threads/bauland-zum-verkauf-beraeumen-oder-unter-wert-anbieten.28042/page-2#post-267432 – posts #12 and #18 include the following images:
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guckuck2 schrieb:
Or he just buys everything and is supposed to cut it up himself. I don’t think they have that kind of money. Anyone who moves to the middle of nowhere and builds with Town & Country doesn’t have 40,000 (about $40,000) left over for land speculation.
The listing states a price of €29 per square meter (approximately $2.70 per square foot) for the total area. This price does not include any additional costs and takes into account certain disadvantages such as the layout, the oversized dimensions, and the slope. If the potential buyer does not realize this, they probably will not be able to purchase it.
kaho674 schrieb:
Anyone moving to Hinterpupsdorf and building with Town & Country doesn’t have 40k left over for land speculation. The requester isn’t looking so desperately because they can’t afford an average price per square meter, but because the market hasn’t offered anything else yet, right? – then their speculation is basically financed by the particularly low price here:
kaho674 schrieb:
The building land in this area is around €50 per m² (about $55 per square yard), although that’s underestimated; smaller plots go for €90. 80,000 EUR : 90 = 888 sqm (9,560 sq ft) – quite a decent plot size; but for that price, they are actually getting 2,765 sqm (29,765 sq ft). That leaves 1,877 sqm (20,205 sq ft) remaining, which can be resold after the speculation period ends; certainly not for less than today’s €29 per sqm (about $32 per square yard). That totals €54,433 (or 68% of the current land price), which can then be paid as an extra loan repayment. He is buying the land as a civil-law partnership (GbR) with his spouse; I might say more in exchange for blue tiles.
This calculation should make sense to his banker. Of course, property acquisition taxes have to be affordable for the entire area, as well as local charges, street cleaning fees, etc., until resale.
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