ᐅ New Construction – Which Smart Home System?

Created on: 14 Feb 2020 11:38
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bonkers223
Hello everyone,

I am finally planning to build our own house with my family. I don’t want to do without a smart system and have already done some research.

Loxone is basically off the table for me because it mainly relies on its proprietary system and products.

Of course, I have repeatedly come back to KNX (as here in the forum as well). However, I am not entirely happy with it because I don’t want to have to call a programmer every time I want to make a change; I also don’t really want to buy the ETS license. Additionally, I want to integrate and network fingerprint scanners, Sonos, and a heat pump, but I haven’t fully figured out how to do this with KNX.

The house basically has two floors with an open-plan kitchen/living area, entrance hall, utility room, bathrooms, children’s rooms, bedroom, garden, and so on.

The following systems should be connected:
- Lighting (some dimmable)
- External blinds / weather station
- Underfloor heating
- Heat pump
- Music system (Sonos)
- Fingerprint access
- Video intercom
- Some switched power outlets
- Photovoltaic system

Since I am technically fairly knowledgeable, I want to be able to manage, adjust, and optimize my system myself in the end.

Does anyone have good input here? Or already experience with Loxone, KNX, or others?

Thanks and best regards,
Stefan
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Notstrom
21 Apr 2020 22:50
For some reason, I can’t upload the entire offer as a JPG or PDF all at once, so I’m going to do it in smaller parts now.


List of main apartment distributions with approximately one unit per item (Electrical/KNX).


Side view of a component list: KNX dimmer actuator, distribution assembly, cabinets, RCDs.

Page section with specifications for single-pole circuit breakers (B16/B10) including wiring.


Overview of cable routing systems: flexible plastic conduits with diameters 20–40mm (0.8–1.6 inches) and length specifications.

Page image of a technical components list with dimensions and delivery notes.


Flush-mounted installation: overview page with cable types (NYM-J, gray PVC) and lengths 3.01–3.07


Page image of a component list: switches and sockets with model numbers and quantities.

Document with items for delivery/installation of switches and sockets, including total sum.

Document page with KNX switch and push-button list (Jung AS series) and LED object list.

KNX parts list with item names, quantities, and installation steps (5.08–5.14).
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Notstrom
21 Apr 2020 22:54
Jung component list: automatic switch A 3281-1, cover, rocker, frame, LED push button.



Overview of technical components with numbers, descriptions, and quantities (7.01-7.08).

Document with text on delivery and installation total of an intercom system in the building services area.

Satellite system parts list with Televes components and installation instructions (8.01–8.09).

Document with shopping list for satellite system: cables, connectors, sockets, mounting plate, quantity specifications.


Catalog page for IT network with product descriptions, enclosures, and mounting kits.


Document with schedule for maintenance, installation, and delivery of KNX components.


Delivery list with items (frame, cover, TAE socket, IT network) and quantities.
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Notstrom
21 Apr 2020 22:58
IT network catalog page with 9.01–9.07: enclosures, strips, modules, installation service.


Clear order list with dates, item names, quantities, and total IT network

Document page: heating and shading with component lists 10.01–10.04

Technical parts list with date, position descriptions, quantities, and installation specifications.

List with time-ordered maintenance and installation tasks of a technical project.

Page from offer: distribution enclosure installation, terminals, wiring, visualization.

Installation materials: plastic pipes Ø20/25 mm (approx. 0.8/1 inch), about 20–30 m (22–33 yards); EIB bus cable 2x2x0.8 mm² green.

Protective measures: OBO equipotential bonding bar, NYM-J 1x16 mm², grounding conduit, installation instructions.

Construction power / temporary lighting section with distributor and fixture list.

Cost overview: 14 items, net amount 42,714.87 EUR, total amount 50,830.70 EUR
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matte
21 Apr 2020 23:04
Is it your preference that the prices of the individual items are not visible? It is actually quite important to see them in order to identify potential savings...
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Notstrom
21 Apr 2020 23:20
matte1987 schrieb:

Is it your intention that the prices for the individual items are not visible? It is actually quite important to see them in order to identify potential savings...

It became too large and unreadable, so I trimmed it. How can I upload a PDF?
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Notstrom
21 Apr 2020 23:29
Attached again with prices – I hope it is easy to read.

List of distribution cabinet parts with quantities and prices.


Price list with KNX installation components (dimmer actuator, distribution board, switches).


Side view of a spreadsheet showing items, quantities, prices, and total amount.


Listing of cable routing systems: flexible plastic insulating conduits, length specifications, and prices.


Overview of a cost list for cable routing systems: items, measurements, and prices.


Flush-mounted installation: list of NYM-J sheathed cables with lengths and costs.


Price list for switches and socket outlets with product descriptions, quantities, and prices.


Invoice table with item descriptions: switches and socket outlets, quantities, and prices.


KNX price sheet: switches and socket outlets, products, quantities, and prices.


Price list of KNX components with quantities and prices (motion detectors, push buttons, covers).