Hello everyone,
I have put together an overview of the monthly expenses for a KfW 70 house with two occupants.
Did I forget anything? Are these figures realistic?
We both work long hours and usually get home around 7 pm (19:00).
The house has a mechanical ventilation system with heat recovery and a fireplace. The heating system consists of underfloor heating throughout the ground floor and regular radiators upstairs.
The total floor area is approximately 150 square meters (1,615 square feet).
Overview:
I have put together an overview of the monthly expenses for a KfW 70 house with two occupants.
Did I forget anything? Are these figures realistic?
We both work long hours and usually get home around 7 pm (19:00).
The house has a mechanical ventilation system with heat recovery and a fireplace. The heating system consists of underfloor heating throughout the ground floor and regular radiators upstairs.
The total floor area is approximately 150 square meters (1,615 square feet).
Overview:
| Phone/Internet/TV |
| Satellite TV |
| Broadcasting fee |
| Chimney sweep |
| Water |
| Electricity |
| Waste disposal |
| Gas |
| Property tax / recurring fees |
| Liability insurance |
| Contents insurance |
| Building insurance |
Why is it necessary to use your own electricity at home? Are there special incentives for that?
Whether I get a lower bill from the energy company or end up with a higher bill but receive a credit for feeding electricity back into the grid, I would honestly not care either way.
I don’t know the current prices, but in the past, the payment for feeding electricity in was higher than the cost of the electricity itself. So why invest in expensive batteries on top of that?
If you don’t just look at the financial aspect, but want to produce your personal electricity from renewable energy for ecological reasons, keep in mind that you don’t only use electricity at home.
At work, I also need electricity (lighting, computer, air conditioning, machines, etc.).
The products I buy, use, and dispose of also have to be manufactured, transported, and stored.
Electricity is required for all of that.
Therefore, I would have to generate much more electricity than what I consume at home.
Whether I get a lower bill from the energy company or end up with a higher bill but receive a credit for feeding electricity back into the grid, I would honestly not care either way.
I don’t know the current prices, but in the past, the payment for feeding electricity in was higher than the cost of the electricity itself. So why invest in expensive batteries on top of that?
If you don’t just look at the financial aspect, but want to produce your personal electricity from renewable energy for ecological reasons, keep in mind that you don’t only use electricity at home.
At work, I also need electricity (lighting, computer, air conditioning, machines, etc.).
The products I buy, use, and dispose of also have to be manufactured, transported, and stored.
Electricity is required for all of that.
Therefore, I would have to generate much more electricity than what I consume at home.
Musketier schrieb:
Why is it necessary to use your own electricity within the house? Are there special incentives for that?
I honestly don’t care whether I get a lower bill from the energy supplier or if I end up with a higher bill but then receive a credit for feeding electricity back into the grid.
I don’t know the current prices, but in the past, feed-in tariffs were higher than the cost of electricity. So why invest additionally in expensive batteries? This has changed over the past year.
The feed-in tariff is currently decreasing every month by a certain percentage for “new suppliers” (according to online sources, about 1.8% per month at the moment).
At the same time, electricity prices have continued to rise.
The feed-in tariff is contractually fixed for 20 years for the delivery of electricity. As far as I know, the 20-year period starts with the first feed-in (or from the beginning of the following year after the first feed-in).
Because of this rule, holders of older contracts (for example from 2010) have a guaranteed feed-in price that is significantly above the current electricity price.
Anyone connecting their system to the grid in September currently has to accept a feed-in tariff of 14.54 cents/kWh (for rooftop systems under 10 kWp) for the next 20 years. You know the electricity price you pay now.
Therefore, saving on purchased electricity (which is more expensive) has become clearly more attractive compared to feeding electricity into the grid.
H
HilfeHilfe20 Sep 2013 11:34Hello
What about my 350 €
What about my 350 €
HilfeHilfe schrieb:
Hello
we have budgeted 350 € for a 110 sqm (1184 sq ft) apartment / new build / KfW 70 house.
This includes all ancillary costs except electricity, excluding internet/sky etc. We have estimated reserves of 100 € there.
Is that realistic?Hello HilfeHilfe,
if I understand correctly, the 100 euros of reserves are included in the 350 total.
If so, the amount seems too low to me.
Based on the list posted by PhoenixDH plus maintenance costs for heating and ventilation, I calculated the costs myself and came to 550.00 euros. Reserves of 100 euros are also included here.
I excluded Sky (we don’t have it), but included telephone/internet/TV (same amount) instead of chimney sweep and gas, and added an extra item for electricity for geothermal heating of 80 euros (flat estimate).
Otherwise, I based this on my current expenses (e.g., electricity/telephone) or the flat rate given by PhoenixDH (waste disposal, water, property tax, etc.).
Taking everything into account, my ancillary costs will increase by about 180 euros.
I
italiano8320 Sep 2013 23:44Here is our comparison overview.
170 sqm (1826 sqft) of living space
Household with 2 people.
One pellet heating system supplies 4 single-family homes (2 paired semi-detached houses) with flat roofs. Underfloor heating.
Electricity 70 euros
TV subscription 30 euros
Phone and internet 15 euros (an additional 20 euros is paid by the company)
Property tax 50 euros (600 annually)
Water / heating 70 euros
Waste disposal 20 euros
Reserves 100 euros
Building and home contents insurance 40 euros
Glass insurance 12 euros (for large panoramic corner window)
So a bit more than 400 euros... we will probably round up to reach 500 euros per month.
The issue with the photovoltaic system really needs to be reconsidered, especially since the orientation of the carport is not ideal.
170 sqm (1826 sqft) of living space
Household with 2 people.
One pellet heating system supplies 4 single-family homes (2 paired semi-detached houses) with flat roofs. Underfloor heating.
Electricity 70 euros
TV subscription 30 euros
Phone and internet 15 euros (an additional 20 euros is paid by the company)
Property tax 50 euros (600 annually)
Water / heating 70 euros
Waste disposal 20 euros
Reserves 100 euros
Building and home contents insurance 40 euros
Glass insurance 12 euros (for large panoramic corner window)
So a bit more than 400 euros... we will probably round up to reach 500 euros per month.
The issue with the photovoltaic system really needs to be reconsidered, especially since the orientation of the carport is not ideal.
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