ᐅ Building a house is more complicated than expected – prices keep changing constantly!
Created on: 15 Apr 2022 18:05
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HolzWurm1988
Greetings everyone!
The house construction is actually supposed to start soon. After finding a plot of land here in our rural area, I inquired locally about all the costs related to the land (surveying, water/electricity/telephone connections, notary fees, etc.). I also have the exact notary costs, including the mortgage registration and so on. Some of the costs were significantly higher than I expected, while others were much lower. Overall, the total amount balances out in the end.
Since I basically want to build a log house, I have realized that the contractors are not flexible enough in their scheduling. Of course, I’m glad that all the contractors are busy. However, I also need to ensure that the respective companies can start on my construction site on time. It’s no good if weeks pass between the different phases. Unfortunately, with a log house, I have to manage all the contractors myself. There aren’t many, but they all need to be available at the required time. For this reason, I started looking into prefab houses. Specifically, I’m considering the following models:
Town & Country "Raumwunder 100" and Heinz von Heiden "Bungalow, der Unverbesserliche B760"
When searching online about both companies, you find a mix of positive and negative reviews. I personally believe that most people tend to share negative experiences on the internet, so I don’t include that heavily in my assessment! For both providers, I am increasingly confronted with new prices every few days, which makes me feel like they are trying to pressure me as a customer. So far, I have not signed any purchase contract. However, both houses are viable options for me.
So far, my costs are as follows:
Plot (750 sqm (8,073 sq ft)): 24,500€
Notary fees (including mortgage registration, etc.): 1,945€
Connections/lines/surveying: 6,300€
The Raumwunder 100 costs 210,000€ turnkey, including electric shutters, heat pump but NO underfloor heating.
The Heinz von Heiden bungalow costs 205,000€, including electric shutters, heat pump, and underfloor heating.
Ideally, I would have to commit immediately to Heinz von Heiden. However, my final bank meeting is not until the week after next, and I don’t want to sign any contract before that. I just don’t know if I would still have the option to back out if something goes wrong with the bank. Although, the bank told me in advance that I should have no problem obtaining the credit amount I need. In that case, the price would at least be “safe” for now...
What bothers me most, however, is that the Heinz von Heiden salesperson told me that if I signed the contract this May, I might not be able to build the house until October to December of next year. Building earlier is not possible due to material shortages and the high demand from many people currently wanting to build a house.
As an alternative, I have considered buying an older house again. However, I would have to completely renovate it. Still, I would never reach the current energy standards and would be left with the old water pipes in the house.
What would you do? Do you have any advice for my situation? Are there any alternatives?
I often read that despite a nearly agreed price, sudden price increases occur. Then there’s the fact that materials for continued construction are often missing. This makes me wonder whether it makes sense to take an older house and renovate it step by step, working with the materials currently available.
The house construction is actually supposed to start soon. After finding a plot of land here in our rural area, I inquired locally about all the costs related to the land (surveying, water/electricity/telephone connections, notary fees, etc.). I also have the exact notary costs, including the mortgage registration and so on. Some of the costs were significantly higher than I expected, while others were much lower. Overall, the total amount balances out in the end.
Since I basically want to build a log house, I have realized that the contractors are not flexible enough in their scheduling. Of course, I’m glad that all the contractors are busy. However, I also need to ensure that the respective companies can start on my construction site on time. It’s no good if weeks pass between the different phases. Unfortunately, with a log house, I have to manage all the contractors myself. There aren’t many, but they all need to be available at the required time. For this reason, I started looking into prefab houses. Specifically, I’m considering the following models:
Town & Country "Raumwunder 100" and Heinz von Heiden "Bungalow, der Unverbesserliche B760"
When searching online about both companies, you find a mix of positive and negative reviews. I personally believe that most people tend to share negative experiences on the internet, so I don’t include that heavily in my assessment! For both providers, I am increasingly confronted with new prices every few days, which makes me feel like they are trying to pressure me as a customer. So far, I have not signed any purchase contract. However, both houses are viable options for me.
So far, my costs are as follows:
Plot (750 sqm (8,073 sq ft)): 24,500€
Notary fees (including mortgage registration, etc.): 1,945€
Connections/lines/surveying: 6,300€
The Raumwunder 100 costs 210,000€ turnkey, including electric shutters, heat pump but NO underfloor heating.
The Heinz von Heiden bungalow costs 205,000€, including electric shutters, heat pump, and underfloor heating.
Ideally, I would have to commit immediately to Heinz von Heiden. However, my final bank meeting is not until the week after next, and I don’t want to sign any contract before that. I just don’t know if I would still have the option to back out if something goes wrong with the bank. Although, the bank told me in advance that I should have no problem obtaining the credit amount I need. In that case, the price would at least be “safe” for now...
What bothers me most, however, is that the Heinz von Heiden salesperson told me that if I signed the contract this May, I might not be able to build the house until October to December of next year. Building earlier is not possible due to material shortages and the high demand from many people currently wanting to build a house.
As an alternative, I have considered buying an older house again. However, I would have to completely renovate it. Still, I would never reach the current energy standards and would be left with the old water pipes in the house.
What would you do? Do you have any advice for my situation? Are there any alternatives?
I often read that despite a nearly agreed price, sudden price increases occur. Then there’s the fact that materials for continued construction are often missing. This makes me wonder whether it makes sense to take an older house and renovate it step by step, working with the materials currently available.
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HolzWurm198815 Apr 2022 19:35No, I don’t expect that. I only uploaded the offer in case someone might be interested. But not with the request to extract the relevant points for me.
I briefly looked through the scope of work. It's just the most basic standard.
Examples:
- Gas heating with radiators: Is this acceptable to you? Given the current situation, I would lean toward a heat pump. Underfloor heating is a must for me, especially in combination with a heat pump.
- The electrical system is also quite minimal right now. We will be adding quite a bit. Firstly, additional outlets! Network cabling is practically non-existent. Preparation for photovoltaic (solar panels)? Wiring for an electric vehicle charging station?
And this seems to be the case throughout the entire scope of work.
Examples:
- Gas heating with radiators: Is this acceptable to you? Given the current situation, I would lean toward a heat pump. Underfloor heating is a must for me, especially in combination with a heat pump.
- The electrical system is also quite minimal right now. We will be adding quite a bit. Firstly, additional outlets! Network cabling is practically non-existent. Preparation for photovoltaic (solar panels)? Wiring for an electric vehicle charging station?
And this seems to be the case throughout the entire scope of work.
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Hausbautraum2015 Apr 2022 20:38I only read one page as well, and I also noticed that everything is basically the cheapest possible option.
ROLLER SHUTTERS
Made of plastic
And what I find worst: with a crank handle (for larger windows).
It also mentioned that the builder is responsible for safety.
What kind of costs can you expect from that? These can be potential pitfalls.
Construction electricity/construction water are also your responsibility (but that’s common).
Also, someone has already told you that the problem is the things that are NOT included.
Building drying?
Waste containers? Disposal?
Construction fence? .....
ROLLER SHUTTERS
Made of plastic
And what I find worst: with a crank handle (for larger windows).
It also mentioned that the builder is responsible for safety.
What kind of costs can you expect from that? These can be potential pitfalls.
Construction electricity/construction water are also your responsibility (but that’s common).
Also, someone has already told you that the problem is the things that are NOT included.
Building drying?
Waste containers? Disposal?
Construction fence? .....
@HolzWurm1988
I also built with Heinz von Heiden, and there were no huge additional costs. Everything was fixed from the start. During the selection process, we kept things under control. For example, with the staircase, I communicated directly with the contractor. This way, it was cheaper and we got more for less money than originally planned during the selection. I can't say anything negative about it for now.
I also built with Heinz von Heiden, and there were no huge additional costs. Everything was fixed from the start. During the selection process, we kept things under control. For example, with the staircase, I communicated directly with the contractor. This way, it was cheaper and we got more for less money than originally planned during the selection. I can't say anything negative about it for now.
HolzWurm1988 schrieb:
Since I basically want to build a log house, [...] Specifically, the models in question are: Town & Country "Raumwunder 100" and Heinz von Heiden "Bungalow, der Unverbesserliche B760" One is a hatchback and the other a convertible; apart from the catalog price (and both being miles away from your "Plan A"), they don’t have any substantial similarities.
HolzWurm1988 schrieb:
So I wonder if it might make more sense to take an older house and gradually renovate it. Then work with the materials that are currently available. In the song "Huusmäister Kaczmarek" by the Bläck Fööss it goes: "No hammer, no hammer and we don’t have any pliers, then we’ll just use a rusty rod". I see you in the same situation with a secondhand house as with a new build, just with a different property. The trades you need professionals for are the same—and so are their busy schedules. And you can’t tile your bathroom with roof tiles just because those happen to be available ;-)
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HolzWurm1988 schrieb:
Town & Country "Raumwunder 100" as well as Heinz von Heiden "Bungalow, der Unverbesserliche B760" Both are budget general contractors, which don’t have to be bad, but they usually don’t offer much at their price range.
HolzWurm1988 schrieb:
I have the written offers from both manufacturers. The only things I still need to do are lay the tiles, hang wallpaper, and buy a kitchen. No, that’s not quite right. There are still several additional items. Just the earthworks plus disposal of the excavated soil can reach five figures.
And from what I gather, you have no calculated additional construction costs included.
HolzWurm1988 schrieb:
So far I haven’t signed a purchase contract here. It would be a contract for work and services; you would be the client.
HolzWurm1988 schrieb:
The bank already told me in advance that I shouldn’t have any problems with the loan amount I need. Did they receive a complete cost calculation from you, or only a financing amount that is unknowingly incomplete?
Allthewayup schrieb:
These two stated prices can by far not reflect the actual total costs. Exactly.
HolzWurm1988 schrieb:
I haven’t noticed anything that might be missing. Then look at the obvious things: sockets, bathroom. Is it possible to access the attic? No? That means an additional cost. A porch at the entrance? Paving? These belong to exterior works and are not included in the house scope…
HolzWurm1988 schrieb:
I only briefly reread the construction specification of the offer I have and couldn’t find anything that suggests I’d have to pay more for something I didn’t plan for. What would a layperson notice, that they have to paint all the exterior wood themselves, dispose of the soil, maybe also pay for a skip and a portable toilet? It’s also possible that scaffolding is no longer included…
SoL schrieb:
The entire business model of these two companies is based on getting expensive follow-up orders later because the clients don’t know what is missing. I wouldn’t fully agree with that. The house at catalog price works. Why should they already include pricier extras, if that would reduce their target market?
You configure a new car, too: most don’t need a tow hitch, but heated seats would be nice—if it fits the budget.
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