ᐅ Air-to-Water Heat Pump for Single-Family Home with Basement – 150 m² Living Area

Created on: 28 Sep 2020 09:52
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exto1791
Hello everyone,

We are currently in the planning and decision-making phase and need to choose a company.
Now, regarding the topic: air-to-water heat pumps.

Unfortunately, the general contractors are not sufficiently knowledgeable and can barely answer detailed questions here. I will also be meeting with a heating installer soon to get advice on this matter.

Nevertheless, the two companies offer two different models included in their proposals. For comparison, the following questions come to mind for me:

1. Are both air-to-water heat pumps eligible for BAFA funding?
2. Which air-to-water heat pump is generally better suited for our single-family home?
3. Which estimated value of the pumps should be considered higher, since I need to bring both offers to the same level?

The following models were offered to me:

Viessmann Vitocal 200-S and Viessmann Vitocal 300-A (AWO-AC 301.B)

I appreciate any information!
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exto1791
28 Sep 2020 10:25
Is a monoblock even practical for a single-family home? I already know the differences, but I’m struggling to make a decision...

At first, I would have preferred an indoor installation or a split system, but not an outdoor unit.

What is most commonly installed? What are the current trends?

Could the neighbor be disturbed by noise from an outdoor monoblock? These units are definitely louder, aren’t they?
face2628 Sep 2020 10:25
Mmh... so both are from the same manufacturer. I would suggest asking one to revise their quote to include the heat pump from the other offer so you can compare. But I can tell you right away, a pure "euro comparison" won’t be very helpful.

Because if contractor A just sticks to their usual approach without being open to discussion or uses a standard off-the-shelf solution, it might end up being worse for you than contractor B, who does a proper system design and sizing and tailors the planning to your requirements.
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exto1791
28 Sep 2020 10:29
face26 schrieb:

Hmm... so both are already from the same manufacturer. I would ask one to rewrite the quote using the heat pump from the other offer so you can compare. But I can tell you right away, a simple "Euro comparison" won’t help you much.

Because if Contractor A just sticks to their usual routine and doesn’t engage in discussion or uses a standard off-the-shelf approach, it could end up worse for you than Contractor B, who properly calculates and sizes the system and adapts the planning to your specific requirements.

I completely agree!

I am also a bit concerned about just letting the general contractor handle the whole thing and not staying involved...

I am considering maybe taking out the "heating" and "ventilation" trades—hence the cost estimates!

That way, I could talk to a trusted installer and get a clean, transparent calculation...

How do you usually approach this?
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exto1791
28 Sep 2020 10:31
The heating topic is so confusing. The general contractors (GCs) don’t really want to deal with it either; it probably only gets addressed once the planning is finished and you get closer to the whole process.

But I would never sign such an offer... I need a lot more information here, which the GC can’t really provide. So my question is about price estimates and such, so I can go directly to the heating engineer and have a straightforward conversation.
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Bookstar
29 Sep 2020 12:55
Unfortunately, nothing is eligible for funding; the pumps must achieve a seasonal performance factor above 4.5.
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exto1791
30 Sep 2020 07:55
Now, honestly:

Before I sign a contract or get close to finalizing with a company and decide to go ahead:

Shouldn't I know exactly which model will be used here and what the overall heating load is for my single-family house?