ᐅ Home Construction Company with Land Search in North Rhine-Westphalia?
Created on: 27 Nov 2023 11:30
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Haus_Bauer
Hello,
I know that Allkauf Haus and Massa Haus in NRW offer houses including suitable plots of land. Are there any other providers with a land service that you would recommend, for example, Viebrockhaus?
Thank you for your feedback.
I know that Allkauf Haus and Massa Haus in NRW offer houses including suitable plots of land. Are there any other providers with a land service that you would recommend, for example, Viebrockhaus?
Thank you for your feedback.
Tolentino schrieb:
Based on my experience, there can definitely be sales agents (those who sell house construction contracts, usually self-employed and working on commission for a (prefabricated) home builder) who also work as real estate agents and therefore get exclusive access to properties. That a real estate agent is also a sales agent is not uncommon (unlike the other way around). However, I have never heard of a case where the brokerage was provided commission-free just because the agent facilitated the contract...
Tolentino schrieb:
However, you need to be aware that even if you sign a separate purchase contract for the land, once there is an obligation to build with a specific home builder, the tax authorities will consider it as a single contractual arrangement. As a result, the real estate transfer tax also applies to the house. ... conversely, the tax authorities only need initial suspicion that the desired property was obtained because of the brokerage contract. It is the presumed connection that is enough to assume a linked transaction—there is no strict obligation to contract with a third party required here. See also:
Tolentino schrieb:
We recently had a case where the tax office only came back to the builder with a supplementary claim four (or two?) years later. https://www.hausbau-forum.de/threads/4-jahre-nach-bau-fordert-amt-grunderwerbsteuer-auch-auf-haus.46285/
The warning about the risk of combined taxation was already mentioned by @mayglow in post #3, and I didn’t comment on it for one reason only: because—see my linked explanations of the “construction” of this scam—the “risk” that the offered land actually exists (available and controlled by the “service” provider) is practically zero. I can only repeat: don’t let your own desperation mislead you. Suitable building land is not really as scarce on the market as the rabbit’s tunnel vision might make it seem.
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At the very beginning of our search, we looked at Okal Haus, Weberhaus, and 2–3 others. All of them promised a land plot service, but none of them was really helpful.
In the end, it was more like a “walk around the area, and if you see an empty plot, ring the doorbell somewhere. If necessary, we’ll check the land registry for you” type of service. That wasn’t really helpful. However, we didn’t sign anything, so maybe more help would have been offered then. But since you generally shouldn’t sign anything without knowing all the details, that’s not really good advice either.
Otherwise, check your local municipality’s website—there you’ll always find the latest new development areas. It’s also worth looking at the websites of major banks or real estate agents in your region. Apart from that, the usual property scouting websites are useful.
In the end, it was more like a “walk around the area, and if you see an empty plot, ring the doorbell somewhere. If necessary, we’ll check the land registry for you” type of service. That wasn’t really helpful. However, we didn’t sign anything, so maybe more help would have been offered then. But since you generally shouldn’t sign anything without knowing all the details, that’s not really good advice either.
Otherwise, check your local municipality’s website—there you’ll always find the latest new development areas. It’s also worth looking at the websites of major banks or real estate agents in your region. Apart from that, the usual property scouting websites are useful.
jrth2151 schrieb:
At the very beginning of our search, we looked at Okal Haus, Weberhaus, and two or three others. All of them promised a land service, but none of them were truly helpful. In a minority of cases, the provider of such a service is actually the prefabricated house company itself (and once not their sales agent), but even they are not experts at finding land. They usually do not own properties themselves but only know of sellers who (or their co-owners) are indecisive and/or have unrealistic price expectations. Researching zoning plans or even submitting building feasibility inquiries are never the basis for claiming that the "Chantal 165" model can actually be built there. Although providers of land services are not real estate agents, they like to copy the motto "anything is possible"—and just as uncritically.
But, as mentioned, you really don’t need them anywhere.
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Even though this is not directly related to the question—or only indirectly:
I keep reading this from you. But it is becoming less accurate because you are exaggerating more and more. Viebrockhaus is a general contractor (GC) that builds turnkey solid structures like other GCs as well. Viebrockhaus has a very good concept and very good marketing, but that does not mean they are “premium.” *Premium* is just a marketing term like *exclusive* or *superb*, basically just *turnkey*. They are solid.
You also have to consider a normal and comparable scope of construction work with average values and pay extra for every additional option. Of course, this applies as well to features that externally give the impression of a high-end house provider. There are many Viebrockhaus houses around us, built in the same year as ours, and with similar concerns. The Nibe heating system seems to cause more worries, as does a ventilation concept that was not additionally ordered. Apparently nobody here could afford a tent to protect the shell structure. The price is similar to Heinz von Heiden, considering that Viebrockhaus is somewhat more expensive because they maintain their services instead of cutting back more and more over time.
The 10-year warranty reflects the penalty clauses of their subcontractors, according to hearsay.
11ant schrieb:
Viebrockhaus could be compared with Gussek Haus (different construction method, same clientele) and builds ready-to-move-in premium "solid" houses.
I keep reading this from you. But it is becoming less accurate because you are exaggerating more and more. Viebrockhaus is a general contractor (GC) that builds turnkey solid structures like other GCs as well. Viebrockhaus has a very good concept and very good marketing, but that does not mean they are “premium.” *Premium* is just a marketing term like *exclusive* or *superb*, basically just *turnkey*. They are solid.
You also have to consider a normal and comparable scope of construction work with average values and pay extra for every additional option. Of course, this applies as well to features that externally give the impression of a high-end house provider. There are many Viebrockhaus houses around us, built in the same year as ours, and with similar concerns. The Nibe heating system seems to cause more worries, as does a ventilation concept that was not additionally ordered. Apparently nobody here could afford a tent to protect the shell structure. The price is similar to Heinz von Heiden, considering that Viebrockhaus is somewhat more expensive because they maintain their services instead of cutting back more and more over time.
The 10-year warranty reflects the penalty clauses of their subcontractors, according to hearsay.
ypg schrieb:
I keep reading this from you. But it’s becoming less and less true because you’re exaggerating more and more.
Viebrockhaus is a general contractor that delivers turnkey solid construction like other general contractors do. Viebrockhaus has a very good concept and very good marketing, but that doesn’t mean they are “premium.” You will keep seeing this from me because it is absolutely true: no two (nationwide known) providers target customer groups as closely and almost like clones as Viebrockhaus and Gussek Haus. That means with no other providers can I send prospects, who like one of the two but reject it solely based on their preference for construction method, directly to the other as a “1:1 same thing in green” match like between these two. Even Helma and Heinz von Heiden (who are even from the same construction method segment) differ more from each other than Viebrockhaus and Gussek Haus. And where exactly am I exaggerating? The clientele of both indeed exactly fits the profile I described. As you yourself mentioned: they have very good marketing. This also means their customers are exactly the same type who respond to their advertising and overall brand-building, with almost zero scatter loss—at least for now. However, this might change soon: I see tendencies at Viebrockhaus similar to what Mercedes had with the 190E 1.8, aiming to open their customer base toward entry-level buyers.
Or did you misunderstand my classification of the “premium” segment as a quality judgment? No, it was only meant to point out to the questioner that Viebrockhaus targets an income group about two levels higher than the mentioned basic fit-out providers Allkauf Haus and Massa Haus. I wouldn’t rate them as particularly recommendable, also because they are too non-transparent for my taste. They reveal far too little to allow a knowledgeable examination. Regional building contractors behave much more openly in this regard. Even so, I won’t name any of those here either, because due to their regional focus it wouldn’t make much sense in a practically D/A/CH-wide forum. Although, in the case of the general contractor of @kati1337, I was quite tempted to make an exception.
To the questioner, I just wanted to make clear: Allkauf Haus / Massa Haus and Viebrockhaus / Gussek Haus cannot be compared; that would be a complete mismatch. If you are “right” in one of these two market segments, you are automatically “wrong” in the other because they are not adjacent but completely non-overlapping.
I wouldn’t fully agree that Viebrockhaus has a “good concept” either, as I see that applying only to the area of the “catalog house basic idea”; and in this respect they are on par with Heinz von Heiden (and even Town & Country).
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