ᐅ House and Floor Plan Design – Initial Architect’s Draft Available
Created on: 14 Oct 2020 18:29
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Pinkiponk
As previously announced, our old house in Baden-Württemberg has now been sold, we have moved to the Leipzig district, and we can now focus on our new house. Due to our age, we have deliberately downsized both the lot size and the living space. We have a first architect’s draft. I have already noted a few change requests and am now looking forward to your additions, criticism, and suggestions. If further plans or similar are needed, I will gladly provide them as long as I have them available.
Thank you in advance for taking the time to help me.
Development Plan / Restrictions
Lot size: 567sqm (6,105 sqft)
Slope: visually not noticeable; if this is important information, I will look for where to find it
Site occupancy index: 0.35
Floor area ratio: 0.8
Building envelope, building line, and boundary: see attached drawing
Edge development: not allowed/desired on our part
Number of parking spaces: 2
Number of floors: 2
Roof type: hipped roof
Style: classic, conservative
Orientation: ?
Maximum heights/limits: “Top of raw floor slab of ground floor to ridge height of main roof max. 11.5 meters (38 feet)”; “Top of raw floor slab of ground floor to eave height of main roof max. 7.0 meters (23 feet)”
Further requirements
Client Requirements
Style, roof shape, building type: we are trying to approximate the house shown in the photo below; however, without the gable projection; classic/conservative, hipped roof, town house
Basement, floors: no basement, 2 floors
Number of occupants, age: 1 male, 64 years old – 1 female, 58 years old
Space requirements on ground floor and upper floor:
Ground floor → kitchen, shower bathroom, living/lounge room, utility room with kitchenette and floor drain, hallway;
Upper floor → bathroom with tub, bedroom, 2 “wardrobe and storage rooms”
Office: family use or home office? Couple without children, no home office
Number of overnight guests per year: 10
Open or closed architecture: open on the outside, closed on the inside
Conservative or modern construction: conservative
Open kitchen, cooking island: no, classical L-shaped kitchen or similar (the plan includes a cooking island that will not be built)
Number of dining seats: 2 in the kitchen, up to 6–8 in the living/lounge room
Fireplace: gas stove chimney
Music/stereo wall: no
Balcony, roof terrace: both no
Garage, carport: 2 arched carports
Vegetable garden, greenhouse: both no
Additional wishes/particulars/daily routine, also reasons why some things should or should not be
House Design
Who created the plan:
– Planner from a construction company: yes, in cooperation with the clients
– Architect: unclear
– Do-it-yourself: yes, in cooperation with the prefabricated house manufacturer’s planner
What do you especially like? Why? Many windows and patio doors, lots of natural light and fresh air
What do you not like? Why? The windows on the upper floor are too low in the plan, but this will be changed
Price estimate according to architect/planner: already commissioned offer/order €312,780.00 (without carport, outdoor facilities, additional construction costs, land, ...)
Personal price limit for the house including equipment: €400,000.00
Preferred heating system: gas condensing boiler plus solar thermal (according to legal requirements)
If you have to forgo something, which details/upgrades
– What you can give up: we are already giving up shutters, whirlpool
– What you cannot give up: many windows and patio doors, muntins in the windows and doors
Why is the design as it is? For example:
A mixture of many examples from various magazines…
What do you think makes it good or bad? It generally meets our wishes. On the ground floor, we want access to the garden from every room. We find symmetry more pleasing than asymmetry. Few different window and door formats. No horizontal (“lying”) windows. Each of us has a separate room for clothing and such, so that no wardrobes have to be placed in the bedroom. We do not want a separate dressing room.
What is the most important/fundamental question about the floor plan in 130 characters?
The roof seems somewhat steep to me. Is a 30-degree roof pitch for a house with a base of 9.40m x 9.40m (31 feet x 31 feet) too steep? The standard according to the provider is 22 degrees. That seemed too flat, or you can hardly see the roof.
The development plan was too large to upload; I will try again in a separate post in this thread.
Thank you in advance for taking the time to help me.
Development Plan / Restrictions
Lot size: 567sqm (6,105 sqft)
Slope: visually not noticeable; if this is important information, I will look for where to find it
Site occupancy index: 0.35
Floor area ratio: 0.8
Building envelope, building line, and boundary: see attached drawing
Edge development: not allowed/desired on our part
Number of parking spaces: 2
Number of floors: 2
Roof type: hipped roof
Style: classic, conservative
Orientation: ?
Maximum heights/limits: “Top of raw floor slab of ground floor to ridge height of main roof max. 11.5 meters (38 feet)”; “Top of raw floor slab of ground floor to eave height of main roof max. 7.0 meters (23 feet)”
Further requirements
Client Requirements
Style, roof shape, building type: we are trying to approximate the house shown in the photo below; however, without the gable projection; classic/conservative, hipped roof, town house
Basement, floors: no basement, 2 floors
Number of occupants, age: 1 male, 64 years old – 1 female, 58 years old
Space requirements on ground floor and upper floor:
Ground floor → kitchen, shower bathroom, living/lounge room, utility room with kitchenette and floor drain, hallway;
Upper floor → bathroom with tub, bedroom, 2 “wardrobe and storage rooms”
Office: family use or home office? Couple without children, no home office
Number of overnight guests per year: 10
Open or closed architecture: open on the outside, closed on the inside
Conservative or modern construction: conservative
Open kitchen, cooking island: no, classical L-shaped kitchen or similar (the plan includes a cooking island that will not be built)
Number of dining seats: 2 in the kitchen, up to 6–8 in the living/lounge room
Fireplace: gas stove chimney
Music/stereo wall: no
Balcony, roof terrace: both no
Garage, carport: 2 arched carports
Vegetable garden, greenhouse: both no
Additional wishes/particulars/daily routine, also reasons why some things should or should not be
House Design
Who created the plan:
– Planner from a construction company: yes, in cooperation with the clients
– Architect: unclear
– Do-it-yourself: yes, in cooperation with the prefabricated house manufacturer’s planner
What do you especially like? Why? Many windows and patio doors, lots of natural light and fresh air
What do you not like? Why? The windows on the upper floor are too low in the plan, but this will be changed
Price estimate according to architect/planner: already commissioned offer/order €312,780.00 (without carport, outdoor facilities, additional construction costs, land, ...)
Personal price limit for the house including equipment: €400,000.00
Preferred heating system: gas condensing boiler plus solar thermal (according to legal requirements)
If you have to forgo something, which details/upgrades
– What you can give up: we are already giving up shutters, whirlpool
– What you cannot give up: many windows and patio doors, muntins in the windows and doors
Why is the design as it is? For example:
A mixture of many examples from various magazines…
What do you think makes it good or bad? It generally meets our wishes. On the ground floor, we want access to the garden from every room. We find symmetry more pleasing than asymmetry. Few different window and door formats. No horizontal (“lying”) windows. Each of us has a separate room for clothing and such, so that no wardrobes have to be placed in the bedroom. We do not want a separate dressing room.
What is the most important/fundamental question about the floor plan in 130 characters?
The roof seems somewhat steep to me. Is a 30-degree roof pitch for a house with a base of 9.40m x 9.40m (31 feet x 31 feet) too steep? The standard according to the provider is 22 degrees. That seemed too flat, or you can hardly see the roof.
The development plan was too large to upload; I will try again in a separate post in this thread.
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Pinkiponk15 Oct 2020 11:00pagoni2020 schrieb:
The question also came up as to whether you can still make any changes at all, or if everything is basically fixed as planned. For example, could you still change the shape of the house if you come up with new ideas?I could definitely still change the shape of the house, as long as the square meter area is not exceeded, and that would be free of charge. However, I don’t want to; I prefer a square-shaped house.P
Pinkiponk15 Oct 2020 11:11Please excuse me, I have carelessly replied individually again, which I am not supposed to do. I will try to do better from now on.
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Pinkiponk15 Oct 2020 11:13icandoit schrieb:
The contract has already been awarded. Any changes now will incur additional costs. If it’s a change that matters to me, that doesn’t make a difference.
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Pinkiponk15 Oct 2020 11:26ypg schrieb:
I may not like the interior of the house. But it doesn’t have to please me.
Everything feels so cramped. The shower bathroom is tight, the living room at 3.55m (11.65 feet) is barely enough space, and the bedroom with a clear room width of 3.23m (10.6 feet) is really narrow at the sides of the bed.
Also, the wardrobe space is needed for two people, and the kitchen-dining area setup is interrupted by the staircase. Even from the fairly spacious bathroom, more could be made (the tub is drawn as a small tub without shelving, although it’s supposed to represent a whirlpool?). I’ll take another look at everything. The connection between kitchen and dining area isn’t important to me.
ypg schrieb:
Do you have to build two stories, or is that just your preference?
Respectfully regarding your age: we are also over 50/60, but if we had been allowed, we definitely would have built a bungalow at under 50/60. Two stories is our preference. The plot/building envelope is too small for a bungalow, and we would also have to move closer to the neighbors, which we don’t like for various reasons.
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Pinkiponk15 Oct 2020 11:29Alessandro schrieb:
What was the idea behind the kitchen layout?
You can separate it from the living/dining area for various reasons, but the distance between the kitchen and dining table seems disproportionate compared to another district. There isn’t a finalized kitchen layout yet, as I don’t consider the kitchen very important. I want as few kitchen cabinets as possible. Ideally, when entering the kitchen, you shouldn’t immediately realize that the room is a kitchen. For this reason, I don’t want a sink under the window or a kitchen island in the middle of the room. I prefer that the first thing you notice is a nice plant or a picture, with the kitchen utensils taking a subordinate role.
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Pinkiponk15 Oct 2020 11:3811ant schrieb:
I have never seen giving in to asymmetry rewarded, and after our conversations about reveals and similar details, I had actually hoped you would want to build a nice house :-( I find the house in the photo following the questionnaire beautiful and hope to approach something similar or copy it. Just without the gable. Could you please tell me what I would need to change based on the architect’s plans?
11ant schrieb:
Putting a steep roof on a KfW cube and flanking it with cheekily offset carports in a solarium style now hits my wildest dreams right in the stomach. That you can almost steer away from McMansion Hell with so few basic shapes: *Irony_on* Kudos! *Irony_off* *chuckles* Yes, you’re right. The steep roof will be changed, and I agree with you regarding the association with tanning beds. I am looking for a different solution here. “Actually,” I want to arrange the car parking so it’s perceived as separate from the house—hidden in lots of greenery and bushes. I think garages and carports rarely improve the appearance of a property or house unless you invest a lot of money. Most often they look like add-ons, which I don’t like.
11ant schrieb:
What, then, can still be saved? We can still change some things if we feel it’s necessary. The roof, for example.
11ant schrieb:
That is clearly too steep, unnecessary, and pointless. In the following example, you can see my explanation https://www.hausbau-forum.de/threads/walmdach-ideale-neigung.25192/page-2#post-217738 referring to the image in the opening post of the same thread—I would choose the proven 22° (which still looks very good). We will change that. I’ll read your explanation during the day. Thanks for that.
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