ᐅ The wall is not aligned properly with the concrete slab and extends about 2 cm beyond it.
Created on: 4 Jan 2020 09:37
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Bauherr am L
Hello dear fellow builders,
We are currently at the shell construction stage. The workers on the lower floor have now set the walls onto the slab. Unfortunately, on one side of the house, the walls protrude about 2cm (0.8 inches) beyond the edge of the slab. That means the 20cm (8 inches) thick blocks sit roughly 18cm (7 inches) on the slab or waterproofing membrane, with 2cm (0.8 inches) overhanging. This 2cm (0.8 inches) gap was filled with mortar.
This can be seen in the attached photos. We visited the site with the construction manager (PS: our architect, not a general contractor, but individual contracts assigned through our architect) to inspect the situation. He said this is probably within acceptable tolerances and should not have major consequences. We all agreed on site that the slab is likely about 2cm (0.8 inches) too short and the workers set the walls according to the original plan dimensions.
Still, we wonder if we should address this again. Time is pressing since next week the formwork for the concrete ceiling, which will be placed on the walls, is scheduled to be installed.
Another point: A small section on the affected side was built with cast-in-place concrete. This piece fits exactly on the slab, so this wall section is offset by 2cm (0.8 inches) compared to the masonry parts on the same side of the house. This projection in alignment will need to be corrected at the latest during the exterior insulation and finishing system (EIFS) on the outside and plastering inside. We were told this should not be a major issue either.
How do you assess this situation? Are we being too picky, or is this a serious defect that must be fully corrected?
Thank you!
We are currently at the shell construction stage. The workers on the lower floor have now set the walls onto the slab. Unfortunately, on one side of the house, the walls protrude about 2cm (0.8 inches) beyond the edge of the slab. That means the 20cm (8 inches) thick blocks sit roughly 18cm (7 inches) on the slab or waterproofing membrane, with 2cm (0.8 inches) overhanging. This 2cm (0.8 inches) gap was filled with mortar.
This can be seen in the attached photos. We visited the site with the construction manager (PS: our architect, not a general contractor, but individual contracts assigned through our architect) to inspect the situation. He said this is probably within acceptable tolerances and should not have major consequences. We all agreed on site that the slab is likely about 2cm (0.8 inches) too short and the workers set the walls according to the original plan dimensions.
Still, we wonder if we should address this again. Time is pressing since next week the formwork for the concrete ceiling, which will be placed on the walls, is scheduled to be installed.
Another point: A small section on the affected side was built with cast-in-place concrete. This piece fits exactly on the slab, so this wall section is offset by 2cm (0.8 inches) compared to the masonry parts on the same side of the house. This projection in alignment will need to be corrected at the latest during the exterior insulation and finishing system (EIFS) on the outside and plastering inside. We were told this should not be a major issue either.
How do you assess this situation? Are we being too picky, or is this a serious defect that must be fully corrected?
Thank you!
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hampshire5 Jan 2020 00:08Bookstar schrieb:
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Ideally (even though it is difficult), have a second company on standby that can step in immediately. Accepting an additional cost is necessary then. I prefer to avoid the hassle and pay a fair price for everyone from the start.
A high price by itself is no guarantee of quality – on the other hand, hunting for bargains in construction is often a recipe for disaster.
The people you can trust most in construction are those who love their work. We kept this in mind when selecting craftsmen – also ensuring that the masters/owners treat their employees well. We chose local companies with a good reputation who value this as well.
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Trust is really problematic in construction.Trust is good, but supervision is only better as long as it doesn’t take on pathological proportions (which I don’t expect here, but I agree with @Scout’s assessment that behind the fear regarding the described deviations, one might suspect the questioner works in a highly precise Excel-based measurement profession).https://www.instagram.com/11antgmxde/
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Bauherr am L6 Jan 2020 09:1011ant schrieb:
Trust is good, but checking is only better as long as it doesn’t reach pathological levels (which I don’t suspect here, but I agree with @Scout that the fear regarding the described deviations might lead to the assumption that the questioner could have a profession as an Excel millimeter perfectionist). We have already had a number of smaller and larger issues. No one should be pedantic, but sometimes it does feel like construction work is simply done with the attitude: "It will be accepted afterwards anyway."
The masons could have just briefly checked with the site manager before creating facts on the ground. Then it might have been decided to align the wall flush with the foundation slab and omit the 2cm (0.8 inches) on the inside, since that would have caused fewer problems later on...
From my point of view, the problem is more about "doing and hoping no one complains, instead of just asking briefly."
Bauherr am L schrieb:
The bricklayers could have simply asked the site manager briefly before creating a fait accompli. Then it might have been decided to align the wall flush with the foundation slab and omit the 2cm (1 inch) thickness on the inside, since that would cause fewer problems later on...Site managers are also people with very different preferences – that’s why I appreciate having a standard like DIN to guide the proper approach. In this case, the extra 2cm (1 inch) of wall thickness will not cause any issues, and you’ll be happier with the wall’s planned position than with its irrelevant precise alignment with the edge of the foundation slab.https://www.instagram.com/11antgmxde/
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